Disproving The Resurrection By The Maximal Facts Approach

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Considering that the average body's organs start to decay within a 24-72 hour period and begins to bloat within 3 days while keeping in mind that the condition of a body that was beaten and crucified isn't exactly average to begin with.... yeah. Pretty sure there was some decay going on. Twit.

You do realize that Jesus rose on the morning of the third day, so that falls well within your 24-72 hour period....

If he did, then Jesus was a lousy prophet, since he told his disciples that he would rise 'after three days'.  He goes even farther in Matthew 12:40, in which he says he will be 'three days and three nights in the belly of the earth'.

Boru

[Bob Kelso]

Considering that the average body's organs start to decay within a 24-72 hour period and begins to bloat within 3 days while keeping in mind that the condition of a body that was beaten and crucified isn't exactly average to begin with.... yeah. Pretty sure there was some decay going on. Twit.

You do realize that Jesus rose on the morning of the third day, so that falls well within your 24-72 hour period....

Are you this big of an idiot naturally or can I get a piece of what you're smoking? That's kind of my point, one made alongside the wounds one would suffer from beatings and various punctures. Exposure to bacteria kind of speeds up the process.

[Huggy Bear]

*emphasis mine*
I guess you missed the part in the bible where prophecy concerning the resurrection of the messiah explicitly state that his body would be raised up before it started to decay.

"For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." - Psalm 16:10

Then either Psalm 16:10 is wrong (and therefore not a prophecy) or Jesus was not the messiah, since (as SD pointed out) a body dead for three days is going to be at least partly decayed.

So, which way will you have it:  Is the Psalm wrong, or are the NT accounts in Mark and Matthew both wrong?

Boru

Neither are wrong.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/body-farm1.htm

About three hours after death, rigor mortis -- a stiffening of muscles -- sets in. Around 12 hours after death, the body will feel cool, and within 24 hours (depending on body fat and external temperatures), it will lose all internal heat in a process called algor mortis. The muscle tissue begins to lose its stiffness after about 36 hours, and within about 72 hours of dying, the body's rigor mortis will subside.

As the cells die, bacteria within the body begin breaking them down. Enzymes in the pancreas cause the organ to digest itself. The body soon takes on a gruesome appearance and smell. Decomposing tissue emits a green substance, as well as gasses such as methane and hydrogen sulfide. The lungs expel fluid through the mouth and nose.

If you recall the story of Lazarus, he didn't start to stink until four days....

"Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days." - John 11:39

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Are you this big of an idiot naturally or can I get a piece of what you're smoking? That's kind of my point, one made alongside the wounds one would suffer from beatings and various punctures. Exposure to bacteria kind of speeds up the process.

*emphasis mine*
Can you provide any sources for this?

[robvalue]

1. A book that talks about Angels, gods, global floods, firmaments, demon possession, witches, talking snakes and talking donkeys should not be taken seriously when it talks about people coming back from the dead either.

Case dismissed.

[Longhorn]

Are you this big of an idiot naturally or can I get a piece of what you're smoking? That's kind of my point, one made alongside the wounds one would suffer from beatings and various punctures. Exposure to bacteria kind of speeds up the process.

*emphasis mine*
Can you provide any sources for this?

Are you kidding?
How about you open a fucking biology book?
Even the source YOU linked can give you a clear answer. Bacteria are the cause of decomposition, so naturally a larger amount of them means the process will happen faster. It's not rocket science, Huggy.

Here. As if it was so fucking hard to figure out on your own.

Be aware also that hot temperatures will speed up this process, while cooler temperatures will slow it down. Also, a person who has died with a septic wound will suffer the effects of putrefaction faster, as the bacteria from sepsis spreads quickly and does damage on a larger and faster scale.

source

[Bob Kelso]

Holy fuck you are that stupid. Jesus Christ...

[popsthebuilder]

Polar bear
You say to lighten up while you atte.p to derail people's belief system just for shits and giggles. Christ most likely didn't arise from the dead in material form. The return of God refers to the end of the world. How ever flawed a belief system may be it still has good teachings and an example of what a perfect person could be. And who are you to deny that such a person could cause real miracles just because you can't? Who are you at all? We're you prophecied to guide humanity? Were you seen as so much of a danger to a corrupt society that you were tortured, murdered and displayed and all evedence deatoyed? It's just wrong to be like that.

Boru

[Cyberman]

1. A book that talks about Angels, gods, global floods, firmaments, demon possession, witches, talking snakes and talking donkeys should not be taken seriously when it talks about people coming back from the dead either.

Case dismissed.

But... but... the tomb was empty, man! Why don't you get it - it was empty!!!

It's like my empty garage; that proves my Ferrari was in it!!!!!!

[robvalue]

Oh rly?!

So let's see... why would there be an empty tomb...

1- Jesus was never put into a tomb
2- Jesus was put into a different tomb than the one they were looking in
3- Jesus was in the tomb but they didn't notice him
4- Someone moved the body
5- There was no empty tomb, someone made it up
6- There was no Jesus in the first place to go into any tomb
7- The true real God (FSM) got pissed and vaporised the body

[Anomalocaris]

Maximal Fact #1:  It didn't happen.

fin

Boru

How do you know? You were not there.

Prove he was not there.