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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 13, 2015 at 1:26 am
(July 12, 2015 at 3:51 pm)IATIA Wrote: The bible is supposed to be the "inspired word of god" and except where it is specifically stated that it is a 'parable', we have no recourse but to interpret it literally as we would expect that god would have inspired a 'literal word' for everyone to comprehend. After all, god is supposed to be "all powerful" and that does not seem to be too large a task for a god.
It's not a big task for Him at all, the task is for us to come to understand what He has given us, we do this through coming to know Him and allowing Him to teach us.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 13, 2015 at 1:38 am
(July 13, 2015 at 1:26 am)Godschild Wrote: (July 12, 2015 at 3:51 pm)IATIA Wrote: The bible is supposed to be the "inspired word of god" and except where it is specifically stated that it is a 'parable', we have no recourse but to interpret it literally as we would expect that god would have inspired a 'literal word' for everyone to comprehend. After all, god is supposed to be "all powerful" and that does not seem to be too large a task for a god.
It's not a big task for Him at all, the task is for us to come to understand what He has given us, we do this through coming to know Him and allowing Him to teach us.
GC
How old are you GC? My 10 year old daughter doesn't know who "He" is, she has worked out this bullshit for what it is already and accepted reality.
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 13, 2015 at 8:14 am
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(July 12, 2015 at 3:45 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: In addition to what Randy wrote, a single passage can have several layers of meaning, beyond the surface so to speak.
It seems that atheists and fundamentalists both insist on seeing only the most superficial approach to Holy Scripture.
It seems equally ironic that a person who accepts an incredibly superficial assessment of the texts in question should happen across that notion. These narratives -just might- express some widely shared aspect of the human experience, and perhaps the divine machinery is simply the vehicle by which these very human, very mundane truths are communicated. But no...no...it's about really real fairies, huh? I doubt that you'll be able to deliver much of a brow beating on this one before you do a little self assessment.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 13, 2015 at 8:27 am
(July 11, 2015 at 12:59 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (July 9, 2015 at 1:27 pm)Drich Wrote: Does your definition embody paid employment? no you say? then your definition is not as expanded as the greek word used in the NT to describe slavery.
That is literally because your definition of slavery is not as expansive as the greek word dullos. Because again the word dullos can mean a paid employee/servant. Matter of fact the word is used interchangeably with slave/servant over 120 times, with contextual preference being the only divider in the text.
In the greek there are 5 different words with 5 different aspects or meanings that we in the English translate into the single word 'love.' the same is true here with the word slave, but in reverse. The greeks have one word to describe 5 different aspects of 'service/employment' in the English.
Just because a literal translation will always translate Dullos into Slave/Servant does not mean that the bible is speaking of the 17th century cotton plantation variety.
Again you are only describing one aspect of slavery.
Ok... So?
You do understand That the Old Testament represents a completely different religion that is no longer practiced anywhere in the world right? That is why in the New testament OT Jews who Practiced the rules and regulations found in the NT were known to have been converted To Christianity correct? And you are aware that The way 'slaves' were viewed and treated was indeed augmented from the Old to the New covenants right?
That's a simple question to answer.
I know the bible is God's word, because in the bible are a set of direction for one to literally find and have a interactive relationship with him.
I found and followed said instructions, resulting in promised relationship with the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit that inspired the bible in the first place. it is through the Holy Spirit that God's bible has been verified.
Actually it happens in reverse order. I know or am given a precept and then verify it in the bible through study.
Actually the bible only claims to ever be the truth of God, and the tool used to find God. With in the pages of the bible it never claims to be infallible.
Uh.. no. try again sport.
examples? So how did those wonderful Christians and Jews treat the African slaves in the Western Hemisphere? Men like Washington, and Jefferson had wonderful relationships with their slaves, while others did not. It is like anything else left to man. It completely depends on the indivisual.
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 13, 2015 at 8:30 am
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Wonderful eh? For whom? Granted, Washington and Jefferson's lives were enriched.......lol (particularly the latter), I'm just wondering what more it is you hope to say about this relationship, lol. Right on cue though, aintcha?
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 13, 2015 at 8:57 am
Rhondazvous,
Free will is part of our opportunity. Through physical life we have the option to do good, bad, or nothing. Doing nothing equals exactly that. A useless worthless existence. Doing bad and accepting it as ok will lead to more bad and could have detrimental effects on us, the earth, and maybe the Universe. Doing good and spreading good through everything we do as a whole would have amazing effects on us, the earth, and the Universe.
We have free will and the power to make the Universe better or worse because we are derivatives of God. We are directly connected to good and bad. Our free will isn't instilled in us strictly for us to have a relationship with God. That should be apparent due to all of the people that claim not to believe. So saying free will is so we can love God, and our misery is due to anything other than our own hand is just wrong. I do not think humans will have free will in heaven. Firstly, there won't be any humans. We are not physical after physical death so to say human makes no sense. Our entire being will be one with good. As beings that have assended to a unison with all creation there will be no need for free will. We will do right by creation due to our existence and for the sake of existence. The angels sinned because of jealously of our potential. Does that mean we will be able to sin in heaven. No I don't think so. I don't think the angels were capable of sin until they came to the physical realm of the earth, nor was there any want for sin until that point. Even if we had individual thought, which I believe to be unlikely there still wouldn't be any regret or animosity towards God. We would be pure spiritual beings incapable of evil in our heavenly form.
We could have been without sin on earth but we would have been oblivious to our importance, connection, and opportunities. Pain is necessary for learning and advancement.
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 13, 2015 at 10:16 am
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(July 12, 2015 at 3:51 pm)IATIA Wrote: The bible is supposed to be the "inspired word of god" and except where it is specifically stated that it is a 'parable', we have no recourse but to interpret it literally as we would expect that god would have inspired a 'literal word' for everyone to comprehend. After all, god is supposed to be "all powerful" and that does not seem to be too large a task for a god.
The basics are clearly expressed so that anyone can understand. But the Bible is also rich and complex enough for a lifetime of study. If it were written like a Dick and Jane book you'd complain it was to simple since surely God could have written something more deep for adults. If it was only complex then you'd complain that God the Word is too esoteric. There's no pleasing the objections of atheists like you.
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 13, 2015 at 3:22 pm
So it is too large a task for god.
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 13, 2015 at 9:48 pm
(July 13, 2015 at 1:26 am)Godschild Wrote: It's not a big task for Him at all, the task is for us to come to understand what He has given us, we do this through coming to know Him and allowing Him to teach us.
GC
Tubs Wrote:How old are you GC? My 10 year old daughter doesn't know who "He" is, she has worked out this bullshit for what it is already and accepted reality.
Oh right, with atheist as parents what else would the results be. You should read Matthew 18:6, Mark 9:42 and Luke 17:2, a lesson to be taken seriously.
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 14, 2015 at 8:36 am
(July 13, 2015 at 3:22 pm)IATIA Wrote: So it is too large a task for god.
Q: Could God make a stone so heavy He could not lift it?
A: Yes, the human heart.
Or
"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink." In other words, God is reaching out to you, but you are being lazy and stubborn.
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