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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 14, 2015 at 9:38 am
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-and god isn't in that scenario Chad? If he's reaching, it isn't working. He could reach harder, I assume? I haven't completely exhausted gods abilities...have I? He could reach in a different manner, I assume? I haven't exhausted his great and knowing mind....have I?
What's with you fuckers and aggrandizing your god by insulting human beings anyway? Is this the wisdom brought by a depper, more meaningful understanding of scripture...rather than the superficial appraisal you accuse others of? That seems hard to believe.
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 14, 2015 at 12:06 pm
(July 13, 2015 at 9:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: Oh right, with atheist as parents what else would the results be. You should read Matthew 18:6, Mark 9:42 and Luke 17:2, a lesson to be taken seriously.
GC
My daughter believed in a god (presumably the Christian flavour, from interacting with her peers and social club activities) up until a couple of years ago. I didn't tell her not to believe in it, she asked what I thought and I told her why I don't believe in gods while suggesting as well as you can to an 8 year old that she should make these decisions herself and always question others and, more importantly, herself about such things.
Last year sometime she told me that she no longer believes in gods - note the plural. She has learnt about the main religions and various different gods at school and decided that it's not for her - hence her asking me to contact school recently to excuse her from prayers and praise type songs.
She is still too young to fully understand the implications but I'm pleased that she is at least starting out from a neutral position here on in (as she was when she came into the world). If she chooses to embrace faith in some or other god when she is older that's her choice but I will advise her if she asks.
Let's see, the first offering you gave me to reconsider my actions as an atheist parent were Matthew 18:6. I picked the KJ version but they all read pretty much the same (which is unusual in itself for bible translations).
"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea"
Could you put this in context for me, bearing in mind my description of my interactions with my daughter above please.
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 14, 2015 at 12:34 pm
(July 14, 2015 at 9:38 am)Rhythm Wrote: -and god isn't in that scenario Chad? If he's reaching, it isn't working. He could reach harder, I assume? I haven't completely exhausted gods abilities...have I?
Unfortunately, I suspect so. Your every post seems determined to close off any opening for the Holy Spirit.
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 14, 2015 at 1:01 pm
(July 14, 2015 at 12:34 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Unfortunately, I suspect so. Your every post seems determined to close off any opening for the Holy Spirit.
Allow me to correct.
"Unfortunately, I suspect so. Your every post seems determined to close off any opening for the group enforced delusion that I have been afflicted with"
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 14, 2015 at 1:07 pm
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(July 14, 2015 at 12:06 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: Let's see, the first offering you gave me to reconsider my actions as an atheist parent were Matthew 18:6. I picked the KJ version but they all read pretty much the same (which is unusual in itself for bible translations).
"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea"
Could you put this in context for me, bearing in mind my description of my interactions with my daughter above please.
You told her you were an Atheist, which to pretty much any Christian group is "scandalizing" your daughter. If Daddy does it, it must be okay or at least an option for me to pick...Which of course to any theist is not an option that can go unpunished.
The idea is anything that inspires even the tiniest bit of doubt that could lead someone to apostasy or Atheism is horrifically evil. Far, far worse than theft, rape or genocide since you're helping send them to hell so when you get there you're going to get a even worse punishment. You're responsible because you didn't discipline her for voicing heresy and not encouraging belief.
Personally I personally loathe the KJ, I know it's super popular in English Speaking countries but it really is one of the least true to the original translations going  A lot of literal meaning was sacrificed for ease of translation or poetic effect. It won't matter for most American Christians but Catholic/Orthodox ones may call you out for using it instead of the New International Version or Douay-Rheims 
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Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 14, 2015 at 1:28 pm
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They all look the same to me, here's a small selection..
If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
New Living Translation
But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to have a large millstone tied around your neck and be drowned in the depths of the sea.
English Standard Version
but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
New American Standard Bible
but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
King James Bible
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
"But whoever causes the downfall of one of these little ones who believe in Me--it would be better for him if a heavy millstone were hung around his neck and he were drowned in the depths of the sea!
International Standard Version
"If anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a large millstone were hung around his neck and he were drowned at the bottom of the sea.
I've left my daughters 'freewill' intact, this verse is abhorrent whichever way you translate it.
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 14, 2015 at 3:26 pm
Problem with freewill in heaven for the first 5 minutes it would be amazing then after that you completely realize... heaven is shit
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 14, 2015 at 4:07 pm
(July 14, 2015 at 12:06 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: (July 13, 2015 at 9:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: Oh right, with atheist as parents what else would the results be. You should read Matthew 18:6, Mark 9:42 and Luke 17:2, a lesson to be taken seriously.
GC
My daughter believed in a god (presumably the Christian flavour, from interacting with her peers and social club activities) up until a couple of years ago. I didn't tell her not to believe in it, she asked what I thought and I told her why I don't believe in gods while suggesting as well as you can to an 8 year old that she should make these decisions herself and always question others and, more importantly, herself about such things.
Last year sometime she told me that she no longer believes in gods - note the plural. She has learnt about the main religions and various different gods at school and decided that it's not for her - hence her asking me to contact school recently to excuse her from prayers and praise type songs.
She is still too young to fully understand the implications but I'm pleased that she is at least starting out from a neutral position here on in (as she was when she came into the world). If she chooses to embrace faith in some or other god when she is older that's her choice but I will advise her if she asks.
Let's see, the first offering you gave me to reconsider my actions as an atheist parent were Matthew 18:6. I picked the KJ version but they all read pretty much the same (which is unusual in itself for bible translations).
"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea"
Could you put this in context for me, bearing in mind my description of my interactions with my daughter above please.
You are not taking her to church and putting her in an place where she can lean about the true God and how He is the only God. It's a good thing she has rejected all the false gods. God has made it the responsibility of the parents to expose them to Him. He understands how little ones can be pushed in a wrong direction. It's people like you who have pushed the ability for kids to learn about God school out of the schools, so how is it she could possibly have learned about God there, evolution is taught in school and taught in a way that there's no God of creation.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 14, 2015 at 4:15 pm
(July 14, 2015 at 4:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: It's people like you who have pushed the ability for kids to learn about God school out of the schools, so how is it she could possibly have learned about God there, evolution is taught in school and taught in a way that there's no God of creation.
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And let's hope this is the future. It's people like you who lead to more backward thinking, narrow minded people like you.
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RE: Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?
July 14, 2015 at 4:22 pm
(July 14, 2015 at 4:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: You are not taking her to church and putting her in *an* place where she can *lean* about the true God and how He is the only God. It's a good thing she has rejected all the false gods.
She rejected ALL gods as false, she's in *a* place where she can *learn* how to write properly and understand science.
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