Will Humans Have Freewill in Heaven?

[IATIA]

[Neo-Scholastic]

In addition to what Randy wrote, a single passage can have several layers of meaning, beyond the surface so to speak.

It seems that atheists and fundamentalists both insist on seeing only the most superficial approach to Holy Scripture.

[IATIA]

The bible is supposed to be the "inspired word of god" and except where it is specifically stated that it is a 'parable', we have no recourse but to interpret it literally as we would expect that god would have inspired a 'literal word' for everyone to comprehend. After all, god is supposed to be "all powerful" and that does not seem to be too large a task for a god.

[Metis]

[Metis]

In addition to what Randy wrote, a single passage can have several layers of meaning, beyond the surface so to speak.

It seems that atheists and fundamentalists both insist on seeing only the most superficial approach to Holy Scripture.

Or rather like myself we critique the fact the "right interpretation" happens to be the one most convenient for you in the circumstances.

A prime example of this is Ursury, forbidden as sin for several centuries....Until the Turks were positioning themselves as a potential threat to the Papal States, the Pope had screwed all his Jewish money lenders so much nobody would lend him the cash so he "understood" that Christians moneylending with interest wasn't actually bad anymore.

Give to caesars what is caesars is another good one, while the Churches were stronger Caesar got nothing but now that the state is independent they're entitled to their fair share. What a happy coincidence the Papacy realized this truth in the Lateran Treaty just before they were about to become bankrupt and that good kind old Mussolini was willing to give his Holiness $92 million dollars for him giving up claims to the ruler ship of Italy.

The Catholics aren't the only ones who do this, they're just probably the most well known in the west. There's plenty of hypocrisy in Orthodoxy too with how they alternated between condemning and applauding the communist regime and collaborating with the brutality of the Russian autocracy which they've funnily enough started doing again with Putin.

[Godscreated]

You however threw away God as one would trash, claiming He doesn't exist, so how is it you can say what you do about the God you claim doesn't exist, actually why do you say the things you do about something that doesn't exist. That would be like me getting mad at the pink unicorn and throwing a temper tantrum at the very thing I do not believe exists, for me it would be a stupid and foolish thing to do, even worse it would be a total waste of my time.

The last time I checked there wasn't a significant horde of gullible morons running around trying to wield political power to compel fellow citizens to live in accordance with their interpretation of what the pink unicorn is supposed to have said. It has absolutely nothing to do with your imaginary friend and everything to do with what the likes of you attempt to do with your fantasy. If you kept your childish deontology to yourself there wouldn't be any issues.

In this country I have the right to speak out about what I believe and will. So it's okay for atheist to bring uo a unicorn in a discussion but not Christians, good to see where you stand, biased to the max.

GC

[dyresand]

The last time I checked there wasn't a significant horde of gullible morons running around trying to wield political power to compel fellow citizens to live in accordance with their interpretation of what the pink unicorn is supposed to have said. It has absolutely nothing to do with your imaginary friend and everything to do with what the likes of you attempt to do with your fantasy. If you kept your childish deontology to yourself there wouldn't be any issues.

In this country I have the right to speak out about what I believe and will. So it's okay for atheist to bring uo a unicorn in a discussion but not Christians, good to see where you stand, biased to the max.

GC

Not to shit on your rainbow but if christians actually ran a country we atheists would be dead or in jail considering if you look at third world countries that are ran 
by forms of religion and christianity etc. Just be happy you live in a country that is ran by the godless government instead of the bible and fear. 
god can kiss my bum and look its on the internet and no one cares unless if i was in a country were its illegal in the middle east they would have my head on a pike.

[Godscreated]

No, and the simple explanation to this, Chad and I both have given, all choices in heaven will be choosing one good thing or another good thing, there will be no evil choices, God's ultimate will for heaven will be absolute perfection, without any faults.

GC

Then it is god's fault that Satan and the other angels sinned because if god can make it so we don't have the opportunity to choose anything bad in Heaven,

No it's not, I see you like to blame God for everything, I would bet you are a person who runs from responsibility when something you do goes wrong.
If Lucifer and the other angels had not rebelled there may have never been a need for heaven, that is as long as man never disobeyed God. There had to be choice to begin with, because God knew that without it some would complain, Lucifer was unhappy because he thought he should have been created higher than his creator, kinda' the way I see some here (cry babies).

he could have done the same for them. The catch is, if you explain how they sinned, you will also be explaining how we could sin as well.

No He couldn't, the question of God's superiority and those who wanted to be with Him for eternity had to be settled. Lucifer started this with his own wrong choice and man continued it. Like I said above if Lucifer and man had not disobeyed there would not have been a need for heaven.

Your answers are good if we don't look at them to closely. I have yet to meet a Christian who can give me an answer that doesn't fall apart upon close inspection.

You can't be serious. You haven't returned a good argument to me yet and you dodge most of what I bring to the table and cry about what you decide to answer. Something that seems to be religious conduct among many atheist here. 

GC

[Godscreated]

We're talking about now not when you thought you were a Christian, 25 years you were playing a game and this is why I believe what I do about you, not trying to put you down here this is what I honestly believe. If you had confessed Jesus as your savior and Lord all those years ago He would have proved to you He was real. If after that you decided you didn't like what you had found, I could believe that and slightly understand what you did. I could even understand your anger at God. You however threw away God as one would trash, claiming He doesn't exist, so how is it you can say what you do about the God you claim doesn't exist, actually why do you say the things you do about something that doesn't exist. That would be like me getting mad at the pink unicorn and throwing a temper tantrum at the very thing I do not believe exists, for me it would be a stupid and foolish thing to do, even worse it would be a total waste of my time. I just can't believe you ever had a personal relationship with God, for if you had you could not in all honesty ever deny His existence, be mad at Him for some reason yes, but to deny something you had a personal relationship with would be crazy.
want get back here before Monday, have a great weekend, talk to you soon.

GC

GC, I have only been here for 3 months and are you going to tell me my whole life story because you know my motives that I had when you did not even know I was alive?

I haven't said anything about your whole life, you need to quit crying about things and learn to be honest about what I say. I told you that what I said was my personal opinion and nothing more or less. I'm really not interested in your past life other than your leaving God out of your life.

  If you subscribe to the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine then that’s your belief but has nothing to do with me. I confessed Jesus as my lord and  savior and the worse other Christians treated me the more tightly I clung to what I believed was my “personal relationship with god.”

I said nothing about nor alluded to once saved always saved, I see how you might have gotten that, my being a Southern Baptist and writing what I did about you not possibly being saved to start with. I don't think you read what I said carefully enough, then that may have been my fault. I do not believe in once saved always saved anymore, I just can't see where the Bible teaches this doctrine. I do not doubt you confessed Christ, I've seen and known others to have done the same thing and may still believe they are save, but more than likely they are as lost as last years Easter egg. The shame of it all could be they were not being taught any better, I've seen that also. Now that you have said you were treated badly by other Christians (I can't fathom why), if you don't mind sharing I would like to know so I can understand. Limited information on both sides keeps us from understanding each other, we both loose when this happens. I've had bad experiences with other Christians in the past and let it effect my walk with God, I did not give up on God though and not so long ago I've had experiences with Christians but didn't allow it to get between myself and God, I learned from the experiences.

I am not mad at god. How can I be mad at something that I no longer believe exist?

You could have fooled me, the way you write about Him would lead many to believe you were and, you haven't yet said you didn't get mad at God and leave Him. I see hatred for God all over this forum, people can deny this but, they can't hide it, it's to obvious. Most of the Christians who use to be here have told me the same thing and I bet the ones here would say the same, but I'll let them speak for themselves.

I’m not even mad at you because you are where I was (unless the truth is that you are the one who’s playing a game, pretending to be a believer when as god told the Israelites, his name is blasphemed because of you - Romans 2:24).

I'm glad to hear you're not mad at me, because I wasn't able to tell if you were or not. I don't know where you were and I'm sure you do not know where I'm at in a relationship with God. I doubt very seriously we could have been in the same place, I know for a fact that God is real and, He is who He says He is. That's why I said I do not believe (my opinion) you ever really knew God, how could you and walk away and say He does not exist. I believe that many people have been saved and then decided to leave God for their own reasons, but I believe most were babes in faith and never really come to allow God to prove Himself to them. This takes a lot of study, real desire and dedication to God which would include deep prayer and asking God in those prayers to bring one's self into that knowledge, the NT teaches this is possible when we desire this above other things. Hoe does one deny God's reality if one knew for sure He is real, I can't ever imagine how that's possible. To me that would be the same as one saying they never had a mother and father, in the physical sense. I'm not mad at you either I will always make a determined stand for what I know is the truth and reality of God, and in my zealous stand it may seem I'm mad.

The rest of your post is just obfuscation and artful dodging, as anyone who reads what I said and your replies can tell.

Not really, I think you just want to avoid the rest, why, because you've ignored things from me thus far in this thread, and I've answered everything you've posted. So how could I've dodged anything.

GC

[Godscreated]

In addition to what Randy wrote, a single passage can have several layers of meaning, beyond the surface so to speak.

It seems that atheists and fundamentalists both insist on seeing only the most superficial approach to Holy Scripture.

Not this fundamentalist Chad, I depend on that deeper understanding because I want to be a fundamentalist who understands God on a level most Christians don't even want to approach. To me being a fundamentalist is getting deeper into God's word to grow in a deeper relationship with Him and to be able to tell others the greatness and wonders of God, even if they refuse to listen. As you can tell I totally agree with your first sentence.

GC