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Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)
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 (October 17, 2015 at 5:31 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: so would you be open to the possibility of God existing outside of religious mythology such as the concept that God is in everything that exists or God is nature or in some form that did not contradict science ?I personally would be. But I'm not going to give this incarnation of a god any more of a pass than I would the gods of organized religions. I would still be expecting evidence that such a form of a god exists.  RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 17, 2015 at 5:50 pm
(This post was last modified: October 17, 2015 at 5:50 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
I'm open Jenny. Doesn't mean I'm about to suddenly become a theist.
 (October 17, 2015 at 5:48 pm)LostLocke Wrote:(October 17, 2015 at 5:31 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: so would you be open to the possibility of God existing outside of religious mythology such as the concept that God is in everything that exists or God is nature or in some form that did not contradict science ?I personally would be. But I'm not going to give this incarnation of a god any more of a pass than I would the gods of organized religions. If you're open to the possibility that God is nature, then you should believe God exists (because nature exists).  (October 17, 2015 at 5:46 pm)Stimbo Wrote: If you can bring me some evidence of such a god, I'm more than happy to review it. As long as you are equally as happy for the evidence to be dissected and, if necessary, discarded as irrelevant. believe me i wish the evidence was not so ethereal
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today
 Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John LennonThe easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain  (October 17, 2015 at 6:17 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: believe me i wish the evidence was not so ethereal I actually have no preference for what your evidence is. The only criterion is that I (or anyone) be able to review it. Before you run with the idea that not being able to have the evidence examined somehow elevates it above the sphere of rational inquiry, I will point out that even a rock fulfils that basic criterion.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
This is why I think evidence is not merely subjective because you have to be able to share it... not all evidence is valid but even invalid evidence should have some standard.
Thinking something is "evident" to you is different to it actually being evident - yes even to yourself. That's the thing I mean, we don't even always see or experience what we think we see or experience. RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 17, 2015 at 6:37 pm
(This post was last modified: October 17, 2015 at 6:41 pm by jenny1972.)
(October 17, 2015 at 5:46 pm)Irrational Wrote:(October 17, 2015 at 5:31 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: so would you be open to the possibility of God existing outside of religious mythology such as the concept that God is in everything that exists or God is nature or in some form that did not contradict science ? i agree to say that God is nature is basically the same as saying that God does not exist . I do not think it is possible for human beings to conceive of God accurately so im content with not understanding . the attempt at understanding is what has lead to religions . but are you open to the idea that there could be some intelligence out there that is not at all like the God portrayed by religions ?
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today
Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John LennonThe easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain (October 17, 2015 at 6:37 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:(October 17, 2015 at 5:46 pm)Irrational Wrote: Answering for myself, no. Because that would be redundant and useless (except for poetic use). Why call that God? Yeah, I'm open to anything that could be deemed intelligence and beyond nature, and I'd be happy to call that God. But like Evie said, being open means just that. It does not mean that you will succeed in convincing me so easily. (October 17, 2015 at 6:25 pm)Stimbo Wrote:(October 17, 2015 at 6:17 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: believe me i wish the evidence was not so ethereal i really dont know if there is a way to give you proof outside of you personally experiencing it yourself but while that would convince you personally its not going to convince anyone else only you , maybe technology will someday be able to provide some proof but right now science knows very little about the mind and thoughts other than observing brain activity during thought processes but thats physical reaction . technology is going to continue to become more advanced even if science doesnt take a specific interest in detecting God the interest in thoughts and what they are and where they come from is going to lead to tech advances having to do with thoughts i think .
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today
Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John LennonThe easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 17, 2015 at 6:58 pm
(This post was last modified: October 17, 2015 at 7:00 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
jenny1972 Wrote:[...] there could be some intelligence out there that is not at all like the God portrayed by religions ? So Jenny are you a deist or do you also believe in Christ? By the way, I responded to your PM. |
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