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Someone needs a lesson in zoology and biology.
Elephants are incredibly intelligent and aware. Their "conscious" level is not very far off from a human's.
(July 29, 2015 at 9:12 am)Little Rik Wrote: An elephant is a lot bigger than a man yet his consciousness is a lot smaller.
An enormous boulder as far as size is concern is a giant compare to a man yet his dormant and latent consciousness is billion years away from man consciousness or from the time that will evolve into vegetable life, animal life and reach human life.
What the size of something has got to do with the consciousness within only Santa knows.
Big things can brake down into minute things of course but that doesn't mean that the consciousness
get smaller.
In fact it is likely to get bigger that is why i mention the uranium example.
The consciousness within the matter has reach a stage in which no longer wish to stay in that dormant and latent situation so what does it do?
It just brake away which in technical terms we say.........radioactive decay.
After all this happen you may see the matter that is left but the consciousness is not there anymore.
This matter that has been left after the release of consciousness that in technical terms is known as energy still carry
some latent consciousness but it will take more time to emerge from that latent or dormant stage.
When you say.........This constantly shifting equilibrium.....is none but the separation of the consciousness from the matter. Nothing gets smaller. In fact it gets bigger.
But again is not even true that the consciousness get bigger.
What really happen is that the consciousness within everything and every body is already as big as God.
What is not big is the awareness that we have of this consciousness.
The iceberg visible is a tiny amount and the one under the water not visible is a lot larger.
The consciousness is the same.
We got the whole consciousness but we are only aware of what we can perceive so far.
Ok...fucking what?
Take your dick...out of the Chopra...and back away slowly...
Consciousness is not an inherent property of matter, fuckstick. Boulders do not possess consciousness. Water does not possess consciousness. Molecules, atoms, and other particles do not possess consciousness.
You know what DOES possess consciousness? BRAINS! Our fucking brains are the reason we're conscious. Period. Consciousness is a natural process that is exhibited WITHIN BRAINS! There is zero evidence that consciousness can exist anywhere in the Universe except inside a living brain.
All this talk about size vs consciousness has literally and legitimately nothing to do with my actual point. My point is that "little joins big" is not a universal absolute, so the idea that "little minds join big ones" is based on a faulty premise from the start (for lots of reasons; this is just one of them).
No matter how long you toss that word salad, it will still look, smell, and taste like Deepak Chopra's asshole.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
(July 27, 2015 at 6:21 am)Little Rik Wrote: Ari, you are running too much with your fantasy.
Who told you that the operator will die when the car is destroyed?
Once again Ari you are running too much with your fantasy.
First of all you should try to understand why there is a radioactive decay.
By the way the word decay really mean the opposite of what really happen in this case.
Decay means going bad or similar meaning while in this case we have not something going bad
but an awakening of the consciousness within the atom.
You can call it a release of energy or whatever you like nevertheless is an awakening that lead to expansion.
Here below in technical terms it say......... Radioactive decay is the spontaneous breakdown of an atomic nucleus resulting in the release of energy and matter from the nucleus........so it all about expansion which back up my believe that the small consciousness expand and by being released from the bondage of matter is able to merge into something bigger.
Quote:1) In case of a self-driving car, the car itself is the operator, hence when the car dies, so does the operator.
Wrong.
The mind that build and program that car to go in a particular way is not inside the car so how can he-she die when the car rot away?
Quote:2) In your radioactive decay explanation, are you suggesting released energy is the same thing as consciousness?
Consciousness and energy are like the two sides of a piece of paper – they can never be separated. Consciousness never exists independently from the cosmic energy.
July 29, 2015 at 10:21 am (This post was last modified: July 29, 2015 at 10:22 am by Alex K.)
Quote:Consciousness and energy are like the two sides of a piece of paper – they can never be separated. Consciousness never exists independently from the cosmic energy.
Yes, but probably not the way you think :-)
Namely because consciousness is the result of a physical process, and as such needs a low entropy state and some energy.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
(July 29, 2015 at 9:36 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:
(July 29, 2015 at 9:12 am)Little Rik Wrote: An elephant is a lot bigger than a man yet his consciousness is a lot smaller.
An enormous boulder as far as size is concern is a giant compare to a man yet his dormant and latent consciousness is billion years away from man consciousness or from the time that will evolve into vegetable life, animal life and reach human life.
What the size of something has got to do with the consciousness within only Santa knows.
Big things can brake down into minute things of course but that doesn't mean that the consciousness
get smaller.
In fact it is likely to get bigger that is why i mention the uranium example.
The consciousness within the matter has reach a stage in which no longer wish to stay in that dormant and latent situation so what does it do?
It just brake away which in technical terms we say.........radioactive decay.
After all this happen you may see the matter that is left but the consciousness is not there anymore.
This matter that has been left after the release of consciousness that in technical terms is known as energy still carry
some latent consciousness but it will take more time to emerge from that latent or dormant stage.
When you say.........This constantly shifting equilibrium.....is none but the separation of the consciousness from the matter. Nothing gets smaller. In fact it gets bigger.
But again is not even true that the consciousness get bigger.
What really happen is that the consciousness within everything and every body is already as big as God.
What is not big is the awareness that we have of this consciousness.
The iceberg visible is a tiny amount and the one under the water not visible is a lot larger.
The consciousness is the same.
We got the whole consciousness but we are only aware of what we can perceive so far.
Ok...fucking what?
Take your dick...out of the Chopra...and back away slowly...
Consciousness is not an inherent property of matter, fuckstick. Boulders do not possess consciousness. Water does not possess consciousness. Molecules, atoms, and other particles do not possess consciousness.
You know what DOES possess consciousness? BRAINS! Our fucking brains are the reason we're conscious. Period. Consciousness is a natural process that is exhibited WITHIN BRAINS! There is zero evidence that consciousness can exist anywhere in the Universe except inside a living brain.
All this talk about size vs consciousness has literally and legitimately nothing to do with my actual point. My point is that "little joins big" is not a universal absolute, so the idea that "little minds join big ones" is based on a faulty premise from the start (for lots of reasons; this is just one of them).
No matter how long you toss that word salad, it will still look, smell, and taste like Deepak Chopra's asshole.
You just remind me this poor donkey.
It goes around and around getting nowhere.
The brain is made of matter so if one type of matter can generate consciousness why
is not possible that all type of matter can do the same including the magic boulder?
But again to me the consciousness is not a product of the brain.
It is only housing the consciousness.
In any case are you a racist that believe that one type of matter is better than other types of matter?
What you do not understand is that the small get big as it goes in his journey to evolution.
The human brain is so much more evolved because it house a developed consciousness as that of a human being.
This doesn't mean that less developed consciousness can also be contain in less developed form of lives.
Oh, by the way i reckon that that poor donkey has more chances to get up in the evolution scale that someone who go on with swearing and talking bull.
Quote:Consciousness and energy are like the two sides of a piece of paper – they can never be separated. Consciousness never exists independently from the cosmic energy.
Yes, but probably not the way you think :-)
Namely because consciousness is the result of a physical process, and as such needs a low entropy state and some energy.
As far as we are physically alive consciousness spring out but better say........is awaken by a combination of factors.
Our life is a combination of body-mind and according to me of spirit so all these 3 factors are necessary to
awakening the consciousness within not just your so called physical process.
(July 27, 2015 at 6:44 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: Can you please define what you mean by "consciousness" and being "alive"? Cause I seem to understand those terms very differently.
Consciousness is the awareness that I am.
I am who?
I am the one who decide to start the action of thinking or doing something.
And of course the one who got the awareness that I exist and I know what i so far know.
It goes around and around getting nowhere.
The brain is made of matter so if one type of matter can generate consciousness why
is not possible that all type of matter can do the same including the magic boulder?
But again to me the consciousness is not a product of the brain.
It is only housing the consciousness.
In any case are you a racist that believe that one type of matter is better than other types of matter?
What you do not understand is that the small get big as it goes in his journey to evolution.
The human brain is so much more evolved because it house a developed consciousness as that of a human being.
This doesn't mean that less developed consciousness can also be contain in less developed form of lives.
Oh, by the way i reckon that that poor donkey has more chances to get up in the evolution scale that someone who go on with swearing and talking bull.
Aw...does my fucking profanity fucking bother you, you fucking shitwallet? Considering that I have a consistent life/sexual partner and as far as I know we're both fertile, I probably have better chances to reproduce (and therefore "get up in the evolution scale," as you so eloquently put it) than you do. Where does that put you in relation to the donkey?
Interestingly enough, that photo is a great illustration of consciousness. The donkey, for instance, has consciousness. He has senses, nerves muscles, and a processing engine that can manage all that, hence he has the ability and will to act on his own. It is consciousness that allows the donkey to pull the wheel, and it is consciousness that allows humans to build the wheel and harness the donkey.
The wheel, on the other hand, is non-conscious. Even though it has moving parts and is made up of the same stardust as the donkey, it lacks the ability to sense data, the ability to move, and (most importantly) the ability to think/process data. It lacks these abilities because, even though it's made up of matter, it lacks the proper material systems to produce them.
For the wheel to be conscious, it has to at least be able to think, if not act. Until we can observe that the wheel is doing something besides sitting there and reacting to the forces acting upon it, there is no evidence to suggest that it is conscious.
If anyone in this conversation is a dumb ass going in circles, it's you. Have fun licking Chopra's nutsack.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
So if I break a rock in two, which one gets the consciosness?
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