Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)

[Cyberman]

Rikky, I will say this once only. The Staff intervened to keep the flaming under control. It had nothing to do with offensive language. Your reports were given the same consideration as those of everyone else and acted upon accordingly. Sorry if our decision wasn't what you wanted, but that's why we are Staff and you are not. Stick your condescension where we don't have to see it.

I will not have to say this again. I'm drawing the line under the issue right here.

[Homeless Nutter]

Raise your hand, if you're surprised, by Little Rik's misinterpretation of the situation.

Then slap yourself with it, because - DUH! - what else was he going to do?! Grow a mustache?

[Little Rik]

If you only knew what is the difference between spirituality and religion i would be quite happy to continue talking to you but considering that you haven't got a clue i think it is all a waste of my time.
Have a good day anyway.  

So you're retreating from the challenge like a coward?  Well that will earn you karma points.

The difference between spirituality and religion is nothing more than an argument about semantics.  But let's cut to the chase and see how Ananda Marga fares on a scale of religion.

Roderick Ninian Smart (6 May 1927 – 9 January 2001) was a Scottish writer and university educator. He was a pioneer in the field of secular religious studies. . . . Smart is widely known for his seven-part definition of religion, or rather scheme of study; as this approach avoids the problem of defining altogether. Whatever else religion may or may not be – whether theistic or non-theistic, religions possess certain recognisable elements, which can be studied. These dimensions vary in importance but are almost always present.

The Seven Dimensions of Religion (Ninian Smart)

Ritual: Forms and orders of ceremonies (private and/or public) (often regarded as revealed)
Ananda Marga?  Check.
Narrative and Mythic: stories (often regarded as revealed) that work on several levels. Sometimes narratives fit together into a fairly complete and systematic interpretation of the universe and human's place in it.
Ananda Marga?  How the 'system works' - Check.
Experiential and emotional: dread, guilt, awe, mystery, devotion, liberation, ecstasy, inner peace, bliss (private)
Ananda Marga?  Check.
Social and Institutional: belief system is shared and attitudes practiced by a group. Often rules for identifying community membership and participation (public)
Ananda Marga?  Check.
Ethical and legal: Rules about human behavior (often regarded as revealed from supernatural realm)
Ananda Marga?  Check.
Doctrinal and philosophical: systematic formulation of religious teachings in an intellectually coherent form
Ananda Marga?  Check.
Material: ordinary objects or places that symbolize or manifest the sacred or supernatural

Ananda Marga has six of the seven dimensions.
(** from here)

Exactly as i imagine.
You haven't got a clue.
First you take from some site these informations which prove that you didn't know secondly all this is just a grain of dust that is absolutely meaningless.
Yoga is 99% practice and maybe 1% theory or less while most religions are the opposite.
With the theory the progress is not possible while with the practice it is.
Most religions think that God is outside or external while in yoga is within.
Buddhism and Hinduism also think it is within but those who practice are very few.
Just go in any Asia temple and see how these religious people behave.
They light few stick of incense while praying their God.
They got many Gods not just one.
Most of them are not vegetarian which is contrary to Shiva and Krisna teaching.
Many priests smoke or use drugs.
While there may be theories that say similar things in practice is all different.
Religions ask God for this and that while in yoga this doesn't make any sense as you are God.
Can you ask yourself for this or that?
All you can do is to realize that you are God and this involve a lot of hard work both physically and mentally.
Is true that AM was started by the late PR.Sarkar this however doesn't mean that he took from Hinduism.
How could he when he fight all his life against Hinduism dogmas like the caste system, the falsity in believing in dozen of Gods and most of what Hinduism stand for?
Sarkar was a real guru and a guru doesn't have to take from anyone.
Shiva and Krisna were also gurus and all guru take from within because they reach the goal of life
and when you get there there is only one truth that is why this truth is the same for anyone who get there.
It doesn't really matter if Shiva live many thousand years ago and Sarkar live after thousand of years.
The truth never change.  

[houseofcantor]

Ooops. Do I sense a trimming of teh rabbit ears?

[Lemonvariable72]

So you're retreating from the challenge like a coward?  Well that will earn you karma points.

The difference between spirituality and religion is nothing more than an argument about semantics.  But let's cut to the chase and see how Ananda Marga fares on a scale of religion.


Ananda Marga has six of the seven dimensions.
(** from here)

Exactly as i imagine.
You haven't got a clue.
First you take from some site these informations which prove that you didn't know secondly all this is just a grain of dust that is absolutely meaningless.
Yoga is 99% practice and maybe 1% theory or less while most religions are the opposite.
With the theory the progress is not possible while with the practice it is.
Most religions think that God is outside or external while in yoga is within.
Buddhism and Hinduism also think it is within but those who practice are very few.
Just go in any Asia temple and see how these religious people behave.
They light few stick of incense while praying their God.
They got many Gods not just one.
Most of them are not vegetarian which is contrary to Shiva and Krisna teaching.
Many priests smoke or use drugs.
While there may be theories that say similar things in practice is all different.
Religions ask God for this and that while in yoga this doesn't make any sense as you are God.
Can you ask yourself for this or that?
All you can do is to realize that you are God and this involve a lot of hard work both physically and mentally.
Is true that AM was started by the late PR.Sarkar this however doesn't mean that he took from Hinduism.
How could he when he fight all his life against Hinduism dogmas like the caste system, the falsity in believing in dozen of Gods and most of what Hinduism stand for?
Sarkar was a real guru and a guru doesn't have to take from anyone.
Shiva and Krisna were also gurus and all guru take from within because they reach the goal of life
and when you get there there is only one truth that is why this truth is the same for anyone who get there.
It doesn't really matter if Shiva live many thousand years ago and Sarkar live after thousand of years.
The truth never change.  

This dot is jormunandrs point.









This dot is you.

[Little Rik]

Honestly, this dude is a condescending little shit who started this thread as a duplicate of his other thread just so he could try and sweep the other thread under the carpet by declaring that he had "established" various things that he entirely failed to establish or prove. What's worse, his responses and arguments in this thread are even more obnoxious and asinine than they were in the last one. It is my opinion as a professional Wizard that this clown deserves and should expect pretty much anything that's been said to him so far, plus some more until he gets the hint and fucks off. I'm happy to remain civil until I'm looking at the rough equivalent of this:
Lololol you're so dumb u just can't se and conceeve the magical yoga power that makes consciousness reside within the toilet stains how happy Rikky is that he's not as dum as u if u think u can proov Rikky wrong you're a stupid head oh and I'm not hindu yoga is spirituality not relijun lolol ur so dum
Just my $0.02. Some people get insulted because they're worthy and inviting of insult

That is interesting Pinky or ex pinky.
Now i play the pinky if you don't mind.
So far no one has been able to contradict me and yet you declare yourself the winner.
That is bizarre.  
Just take the last issue.
You guys said that the consciousness is a product of the brain.
I did show you that even plants that haven't got a brain are able to register events in the good and in the bad.
Who else register these events other than a consciousness as small as the one in plants?  
So consciousness can not possibly be the product of a brain that is not there.
More sad indeed is the fact that you guys did not register yet this fact.
Shell i say that your amount of consciousness is less than the one in plants?      

[Cyberman]

You heard him, Redbeard. You're the bizarre one.

[Angrboda]

Yoga is 99% practice and maybe 1% theory or less while most religions are the opposite.

The practice IS the religion.

Most religions think that God is outside or external while in yoga is within.
Buddhism and Hinduism also think it is within but those who practice are very few.
Just go in any Asia temple and see how these religious people behave.

What people do in most religions is irrelevant to the question of whether Ananda Marga practice is a religion.  It is.

Sarkar was a real guru and a guru doesn't have to take from anyone.

Ananda Marga

A Practical Approach To Tantra

Contents

Introduction. The Cosmic Dance
1. Tantra: A Timeless Science
2. Meditation: Directing the Stream of Consciousness
3. Asanas: Yogic Innercises
4. Yogic Ethics: Maintaining a Dynamic Balance
5. Food for Consciousness

http://ananda-marga.info/Practical%20Tantra.html

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it most probably is a duck.

Sarkar borrowed from traditional Hindu practice and lore.

Shiva and Krisna were also gurus and all guru take from within because they reach the goal of life
and when you get there there is only one truth that is why this truth is the same for anyone who get there.

Blah blah blah.  You don't know any of this.  It's just the babbling of a deluded acolyte.

[Redbeard The Pink]

That is interesting Pinky or ex pinky.
Now i play the pinky if you don't mind.
So far no one has been able to contradict me and yet you declare yourself the winner.
That is bizarre.  
Just take the last issue.
You guys said that the consciousness is a product of the brain.
I did show you that even plants that haven't got a brain are able to register events in the good and in the bad.
Who else register these events other than a consciousness as small as the one in plants?  
So consciousness can not possibly be the product of a brain that is not there.
More sad indeed is the fact that you guys did not register yet this fact.
Shell i say that your amount of consciousness is less than the one in plants?      

That is purple, you dolt.


Myself and plenty of others contradicted you for pages...and pages...and pages on the other thread, and you spent most of your time dismissing everything presented to you while adding to your ever-growing pile of assertions and claims. That is a level of demonstrated ignorance that should sincerely worry everyone who comes into contact with you.


Your thing about the plants...you're just dicking around with definitions. Plants do not have consciousness. They do not think or feel. They may have evolved responses to different environmental events and conditions, but that's not the same thing as absorbing information through the senses and deciding how to act on them.

[Delicate]

Any idiot can contradict someone.

The point is to be able to present something of substance.