Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)

[Little Rik]

This is for those who think that NDEs have to do with religious experiences.  

Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?....Yes    Religious institutions have no role. No form of control has any role. What we seek is within us.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experienc..._a_nde.htm

[houseofcantor]

They all lead to God.

This is for those who think that NDEs have to do with religious experiences.  

herp derp. You know, your thread's more fun without you in it.

Besides, that web page is horribad.

[Crossless2.0]

Is there some part of "Near Death Experience" you don't understand? Every NDE I've read about leads to the resuscitation of the person having the experience, which is how we have such accounts to read about in the first place, you ridiculous dogmatist. All indications point to these experiences being the phenomenal result of a brain in its death throes. Find me a person who's dead and communicating to us from beyond the grave who will confirm that this is a spiritual experience that happens after death and you might have something. But for now you are simply dismissing the more parsimonious explanation in favor of what you wish to be true.

That's funny Cross.
I am the dogmatist?  
But let us see who is the dogmatist.
You presume that a dead person suppose to tell you that i am right and you are wrong.
Why should he-she?
Life is a learning experience.
If everything is shown to you you learn absolutely nothing.
Why would you do your kids homework knowing that they would never learn anything?
You never thought about it DOGMATIC Cross, did you?  

You are an unbelievable moron. I don't "presume" that the dead have an obligation to communicate anything, assuming they can. I pointed out that you don't have such evidence to support your contention that this is a spiritual event that the dead experience. Barring that, you can't honestly rule out that these experiences are the result of a brain as it's dying.

[Angrboda]

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The Four Noble Truths ... are "the truths of the Noble Ones," which express the basic orientation of Buddhism: this worldly existence is fundamentally unsatisfactory, but there is a path to liberation from repeated worldly existence. The truths are as follows:

1. The Truth of Dukkha is that all conditional phenomena and experiences are not ultimately satisfying;
      
   
2. The Truth of the Origin of Dukkha is that craving for and clinging to what is pleasurable and aversion to what is not pleasurable result in becoming, rebirth, dissatisfaction, and redeath;
      
   
3. The Truth of the Cessation of Dukkha is that putting an end to this craving and clinging also means that rebirth, dissatisfaction, and redeath can no longer arise;
      
   
4. The Truth of the Path Of Liberation from Dukkha is that by following the Noble Eightfold Path—namely, behaving decently, cultivating discipline, and practicing mindfulness and meditation—an end can be put to craving, to clinging, to becoming, to rebirth, to dissatisfaction, and to redeath.
   

Wikipedia | The Four Noble Truths

So, as they say, opinions differ as to the truth of the human condition.  Was Buddha wrong?

[Edwardo Piet]

Your mind not only is totally confused but you also show a bias towards what goes against your believes

I don't even have any "believes" I have beliefs.... but atheism is not one of them.

whether these things are right or not.
Why then discuss these things in the first place?
Who force you to post (your garbage) in this thread?

No one forces me to post my garbage... I enjoy my garbage.... and some others don't hate my garbage either - hence the kudos. But I am just expressing myself and at least I'm doing it without being full of shit as much as you

First of all most NDEs experiences are felt as spirituality not religions.

And yet you said it involved capital 'G' God which would generally refer to Christianity which is a religion....

In fact religion is clearly put aside as much as possible from those who experience NDEs.
Few people experience Jesus but not as the Jesus that the Christians believe in.
Rather as an universal God that is part and parcel of the whole.
So religions have really no place in NDEs.

No one experiences Jesus... some people may experience hallucinations of Jesus... that's completely different.

Instead of blathering and spouting nonsense why don't you read some NDEs and see where these experiences lead to.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

Blathering and spouting nonsense? How dare you! You really are a hypocritical self-righteous Little Prik aren't you?

[jenny1972]

If by "upsetting to atheists" you mean "complete bullshit," then we agree. 

There's no credible evidence to suggest NDEs are anything more than chemicals in the brain. I find it continually amusing that believers accuse us of "not having an open mind" while their minds are firmly shut to any information that seemingly contradicts their pet theories.

the thing is that the mind and consciousness is not well understood by science and its still for the most part a complete mystery . im open to the idea that these experiences might be the result of chemicals in the brain are YOU open to the idea that it might not have to do with chemicals in the brain and that consciousness could exist outside the physical body? (be honest)

[Iroscato]

When Little Rik was bitten by a radioactive Hindu, he was left forever changed!

With the powers of blinkered sight, super-bullshit and unlimited condescension, he became the superhero known as...WOO-MAN!

Not coming to a theatre near you any time soon (thank fuck).

[houseofcantor]

If by "upsetting to atheists" you mean "complete bullshit," then we agree. 

There's no credible evidence to suggest NDEs are anything more than chemicals in the brain. I find it continually amusing that believers accuse us of "not having an open mind" while their minds are firmly shut to any information that seemingly contradicts their pet theories.

the thing is that the mind and consciousness is not well understood by science and its still for the most part a complete mystery . im open to the idea that these experiences might be the result of chemicals in the brain are YOU open to the idea that it might not have to do with chemicals in the brain and that consciousness could exist outside the physical body? (be honest)

I'm a prophet. I'm intimately familiar with the chemicals in my brain. Insisting there is more is merely ego without the assistance of science. There ain't no getting around that. These days prophet means storyteller. It has always meant storyteller. The sooner people actually realize that, the better off we'll all be.

Besides, if we were designed as mere receivers, science would have revealed some hint by now.

[jenny1972]

the thing is that the mind and consciousness is not well understood by science and its still for the most part a complete mystery . im open to the idea that these experiences might be the result of chemicals in the brain are YOU open to the idea that it might not have to do with chemicals in the brain and that consciousness could exist outside the physical body? (be honest)

I'm a prophet. I'm intimately familiar with the chemicals in my brain. Insisting there is more is merely ego without the assistance of science. There ain't no getting around that. These days prophet means storyteller. It has always meant storyteller. The sooner people actually realize that, the better off we'll all be.

Besides, if we were designed as mere receivers, science would have revealed some hint by now.

nobody studies something that they dont believe exists

[TheRocketSurgeon]

I'm a prophet. I'm intimately familiar with the chemicals in my brain. Insisting there is more is merely ego without the assistance of science. There ain't no getting around that. These days prophet means storyteller. It has always meant storyteller. The sooner people actually realize that, the better off we'll all be.

Besides, if we were designed as mere receivers, science would have revealed some hint by now.

nobody studies something that they dont believe exists

We all think religion exists.

We all think the claims  of religious people exist, and are therefore worthy of study in an attempt to understand them, and confirm or reject that claim.