Can Atheist be objectively moral in the case of a possible follower of an infallible?

[Mystic]

Sorry MK.
Nice try.

But I get my guidance from the pink unicorn.
My pink unicorn's beliefs have " never" been used for evil!
You should try it...!

Why would a human follow a pink unicorn?

[AFTT47]

We grow up, we take morals of our parents mostly, then society, and some we decide on our own. How does this compare to morality and goodness through vision through a Guide of God that calls toward God and manifests spiritual states and actions, and guides on how to act?

Our way would compare badly IF:

1. The Guide of God was easily understandable and unambiguous,

and,

2. The God was actually moral.

No need to even worry about the second condition because the first one clearly fails. We have all these moral seekers such as yourself, consulting your "Guide of God" in good faith - and coming back with different answers.

If I presented a complex moral problem to 100 people like you and asked that each of you consult your source of absolute moral guidance and advise me accordingly, I would bet everything I own that I would receive contradictory advice. That's why there are countless religions and numerous sects within each religion. You theists cannot agree. Until you all do, there is no point trying to peddle your absolute morality to us because even if it exists, you clearly don't know what it is.

[Mystic]

Obviously you cannot know those guided by simply them claiming they are guided. Normal people are not meant to be your way of absolute guidance nor is there reason why the Guide would respond to that person asking on your behalf.

The Guide is meant to be the way to God and attraction to his holy exalted soul and love towards him, is suppose to guide you.

And the Guide is not some genie at your disposal whenever you want, he is your Master and you should humble towards him, that the Guide would help and teach you when he knows best and wants to, and when God approves and gives permission to help you and guide you.

"Who God misguides, there is no Guide for him...".

All of you've shown is that there is a problem if people try to go through fallible people claiming to be following an infallible. But this doesn't negate personal guidance if you go towards the Guide.

[robvalue]

Objective morality, if it exists, is pointless, arbitrary and has nothing to do with wellbeing except by coincidence.

This is a continual conflation between religious morality (what makes God happy or sad) and morality based on maximising wellbeing and minimising harm. You need to choose one definition and stick with it, not slide between them as convenient.

I'm gonna do a video on this soon, as to why religious morality is a redundant concept. I may look like an idiot but I sure can talk some crap and record it.

[AFTT47]

All of you've shown is that there is a problem if people try to go through fallible people claiming to be following an infallible.  But this doesn't negate personal guidance if you go towards the Guide.

You claim to have personal guidance. Osama Bin Laden would probably have claimed the same. But judging by your posts, you do NOT follow the same morals as Osama Bin Laden. That may be an extreme example but once again, I see many people like yourself who preach objective morality but do not agree on what that objective morality is. That tells me that at least some of you are either dishonest or mistaken. How am I to know who (if anyone) is right? If I were to seek personal guidance myself and believed I received it, how would I know that I were not mistaken?

[Silver]

Nothing is infallible; therefore, your argument was for naught.

[Mystic]

All of you've shown is that there is a problem if people try to go through fallible people claiming to be following an infallible.  But this doesn't negate personal guidance if you go towards the Guide.

You claim to have personal guidance. Osama Bin Laden would probably have claimed the same. But judging by your posts, you do NOT follow the same morals as Osama Bin Laden. That may be an extreme example but once again, I see many people like yourself who preach objective morality but do not agree on what that objective morality is. That tells me that at least some of you are either dishonest or mistaken. How am I to know who (if anyone) is right? If I were to seek personal guidance myself and believed I received it, how would I know that I were not mistaken?

I'm not claiming to have personal guidance. You receiving personal guidance you would know it due to reasons stated in the following post:

This is a good question. First, the reality of the divine names of God is such that one of them is God is Truthful, trustworthy. The Quran similarly describes the word of his light, the Prophet "One to be obeyed, one to be trusted". In other words, if you see the light of the holy names of God in the light of this soul, and it's pure light, and pure beauty, you can see it is trustworthy and you can witness it is "true life".
This is while Iblis or devils in the unseen are "dark" and "unclean". They can't take on the clothes of honor of God and bestow it upon believers, they can't manifest glorification of God sincerely, they are far removed from God's valley, they can't show inward spirit of exalted honor, they are rather cursed and far removed from God.
Therefore if you ever witness such guides, they aren't deceives, and you can see the trustworthiness manifest in their light spiritually and what they are manifesting to you to imitate you see the praise and beauty to imitate inwardly and spiritually.
So the question of deception is impossible.
Of course you need such a guide if God exists and there is many stages of to traverse, and praiseworthy exalted stations to reach.

[AFTT47]

I'm not claiming to have personal guidance.

Oh? Then where is your morality coming from?

[Longhorn]

Hey, you know what we need? Another fucking morality thread. No, another 10 morality threads! No, ONE MILLION MOAR MORALITY THREADS

[robvalue]

That's the thing with "objective morality" and "receiving guidance". Everyone's objective morality is different. Kind of a problem.

Morality is an individual thing, and a consensus is reached on the overlap by a society. You can pretend otherwise, but that is the reality.