You cant try to place yourself in God's mind

[Rwandrall]

No this is not a theist thread

By that i mean that during a debate with a theist, never say
"if God's all-powerful and all-loving why doesnt he:
-stop hunger
-destroy evil
-make the human body perfect or better
-stop us from suffering
-start helping people without them knowing he did it

because these arguments will NEVER reach a theist, who will simply says "God has its ways that we cannot understand, no human can know what God wants"

And then you cannot say anything because it arrives in the domain of irrational faith.

[Minimalist]

To which you reply...." So your god is a dick and you're okay with that? "

[AtheistPhil]

To which you reply...." So your god is a dick and you're okay with that? "

You can't say that. God's actions may look like he's being a dick (at least to a human point of view), but he's doing it for the greater good, so that the future is better. And since you're not omniscient you can't judge him. I agree with Rwandrall: this argument is a bad one

[Minimalist]

A couple of baby-murdering quotes out of their own babble should be enough to shut them up about that.


These assholes usually tend to be "pro-life" after all.


I don't buy this god-works-in-mysterious-ways horseshit. That's for dolts who don't want to think.

[Zen Badger]

So how can they then claim to know the will of god?

Which is a phrase that gets trotted out on a regular basis.

[KichigaiNeko]

Oh I don't know....but for me "Hot Fuzz" the movie did wonders to bring home just how 'good' the 'greater good' can be. I think that IF this deity really existed he/she/it would be ashamed of it's/his/hers worshipers.

[Rwandrall]

So how can they then claim to know the will of god?

Which is a phrase that gets trotted out on a regular basis.

Well what they pretty much say is that God's will is expressed in the Bible literally, however when he does things that dont fit in with his description in the New Testament (all-loving God as opposed to the Old Testament's hardcore slaughterer God) they just say he works in mysterious ways...

Its terrible because it closes off all the things we could say about God being unefficient, incompetent, or plain racist.

[Zen Badger]

The strange thing is that this god of theirs seems to embody all the things we find ignoble in humans.

Jealousy, murder, intolerance, hatred, genocide, incompetence, etc,etc....

Yet they hold him up as some sort of perfect being.

Any human displaying the qualities he possesses would be jailed for their behaviour.

Take the Great Flood, because of the immoral behaviour of a small group of humans(a very small % of the planets population)

He decides to wipe out almost all life on Earth.

A much more efficent and intelligent approach would have been to inflict a species specific virus on humanity(terminal haemerroids springs to mind for

some reason) thereby sparing the rest of the biosphere.

But no, we'll have a huge tantrum and destroy EVERTHING.

Very merciful.

[Rwandrall]

The strange thing is that this god of theirs seems to embody all the things we find ignoble in humans.

Jealousy, murder, intolerance, hatred, genocide, incompetence, etc,etc....

Yet they hold him up as some sort of perfect being.

Any human displaying the qualities he possesses would be jailed for their behaviour.

Take the Great Flood, because of the immoral behaviour of a small group of humans(a very small % of the planets population)

He decides to wipe out almost all life on Earth.

A much more efficent and intelligent approach would have been to inflict a species specific virus on humanity(terminal haemerroids springs to mind for

some reason) thereby sparing the rest of the biosphere.

But no, we'll have a huge tantrum and destroy EVERTHING.

Very merciful.

well God isnt perfect in the Old Testament. God is considered like the Greek Gods: with human qualities. The people who wrote the New Testament realized that an universally loving God is much more appealing than a God who has a chosen people and fucks up all the rest.

[Zen Badger]

Even the NT god isn't all that loving.

Look at the shit he pulls in revelations.

Satan is a saint compared to him.