"nothing to do with Islam"?

[ReptilianPeon]

What I've been told is that Islam is a Religion of Peace and that it's just a tiny minority who commit violent acts. I reached the opposite conclusion by being aware of reality.

While it's true that the real radicals are those are the Qulliam Foundation, I still think it's a (sizeable) minority, albeit a fast growing one, that's violent. Did you know Tunisia grows lots of grapes for wine for example? If there were that many radicals there would be no Tunisian wine industry. Well look, listing lots of examples isn't going to help the situation.

Fact is, most humans are more tolerant than the deities they claim to follow. They need go back to the salad bar from where they came and take a good long look at all of the items on offer. Pick and chose believers are the worst because they know their religious texts say nasty things but try to rationalize them. If they don't like something they may go back to the salad bar, thus making them a massive hypocrite, take out some fresh salad, just so they don't have to admit defeat. In some ways, peaceful believers are as bad as violent ones because you tell them their religion is wrong and you get accused of pulling the rug from under their feet. And that is their way of saying "Don't criticize my religion".

[Regina]

In some ways, peaceful believers are as bad as violent ones because you tell them their religion is wrong and you get accused of pulling the rug from under their feet. And that is their way of saying "Don't criticize my religion".

This is true. I had a good friend who was Muslim and she kinda stopped talking to me after I aired some less than politically correct views about Islam. Not sure if it's just a coincidence but I don't think so.

I also find the term "radical" mis-used in the context of Islam. You're right in saying the Quilliam Foundation are the real radicals. They are radical, that's what radical means, pushing for change and being progressive. "Radical" isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's become a bad word by misappropriating it to Islamic terrorists, who are anything but "radical".

[Dystopia]

One would have wondered the EU government would have been doing something about this.

Oligarchs in Brussels  are only interested in stomping the weak and not giving a crap about anybody b sides Germany.



If we are going to talk about Muslims in France, then certainly we can also talk about how girls who wear headscarves are kicked out of school or even kicked out of classroom for wearing a long skirt because it resembles a religious symbol - Seriously google it. My girlfriend wears long skirts, because she likes them! A problem with religions and ethnic minorities is that when they feel excluded from mainstream society, and because they are low in numbers, every part of their culture and identity becomes important to strengthen bonds and make them feel good. Obviously, extremism is a natural result of this. I don't think France's ultra secular laws are helping combat extremism - Quite the opposite, Muslims will become more violent as a consequence of enforced laicité. Everything a religion causes people to do is "because of religion", good and bad deeds. I refuse the conclusion that religion causes people to do good, therefore I must refuse the idea that it causes evil as well. It's a matter of logical coherence. We are nice and rude because of a variety of factors, mostly evolutionary traits.

[Shinagami]

One would have wondered the EU government would have been doing something about this.

Oligarchs in Brussels  are only interested in stomping the weak and not giving a crap about anybody b sides Germany.



If we are going to talk about Muslims in France, then certainly we can also talk about how girls who wear headscarves are kicked out of school or even kicked out of classroom for wearing a long skirt because it resembles a religious symbol - Seriously google it. My girlfriend wears long skirts, because she likes them! A problem with religions and ethnic minorities is that when they feel excluded from mainstream society, and because they are low in numbers, every part of their culture and identity becomes important to strengthen bonds and make them feel good. Obviously, extremism is a natural result of this. I don't think France's ultra secular laws are helping combat extremism - Quite the opposite, Muslims will become more violent as a consequence of enforced laicité. Everything a religion causes people to do is "because of religion", good and bad deeds. I refuse the conclusion that religion causes people to do good, therefore I must refuse the idea that it causes evil as well. It's a matter of logical coherence. We are nice and rude because of a variety of factors, mostly evolutionary traits.

Is your girlfriend a Jew?

[Dystopia]

Oligarchs in Brussels  are only interested in stomping the weak and not giving a crap about anybody b sides Germany.



If we are going to talk about Muslims in France, then certainly we can also talk about how girls who wear headscarves are kicked out of school or even kicked out of classroom for wearing a long skirt because it resembles a religious symbol - Seriously google it. My girlfriend wears long skirts, because she likes them! A problem with religions and ethnic minorities is that when they feel excluded from mainstream society, and because they are low in numbers, every part of their culture and identity becomes important to strengthen bonds and make them feel good. Obviously, extremism is a natural result of this. I don't think France's ultra secular laws are helping combat extremism - Quite the opposite, Muslims will become more violent as a consequence of enforced laicité. Everything a religion causes people to do is "because of religion", good and bad deeds. I refuse the conclusion that religion causes people to do good, therefore I must refuse the idea that it causes evil as well. It's a matter of logical coherence. We are nice and rude because of a variety of factors, mostly evolutionary traits.

No, she's an atheist. Why?
Is your girlfriend a Jew?

[Shinagami]

Don't have one.