Arizona Immigration Bill

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

America is a nation of laws and the Rule of Law means that everyone receives justice regardless of status.

Perhaps more accurate to say "---means that everyone is SEEN to receive justice----"

Neither the US nor Australia has a justice system. We each have legal system. Justice occurs, but by happy accident rather than by design.However, our systems remain better than most.

In my opinion two major impediments to a just outcome ,[especially in criminal law] are;

The system of adversarial advocacy: Defence and prosecution have access to the same facts yet argue opposite conclusions. The relatively small number of criminal cases which actually get to court can be more like a high school debate than a serious attempt to discover what actually happened.


Plea bargaining:

Without plea bargaining,the court systems in the US and Australia would come to a screeching halt .Plea bargaining is a severe disadvantage to anyone depending on a overworked an underpaid public defender.

A quick search shows that in the US between 90-95% of all cases involve some form of plea bargaining. Google is arse deep in references about the innate injustice of plea bargaining. The reasons for its existence are expedience and cost.

[Dotard]

[quote='Minimalist' pid='67296' dateline='1272471038']

.... if you are white, rich and speak English you get better justice.

Not true. It doesn't matter if you are white. If you're rich, yeah, you can buy justice (or lack of) here in the U.S.

Other places, I don't know. I'm guessing it is the same. Money buys justice.

OJ Simpson anyone?

[Minimalist]

Now that you've waved the OJ canard let's get back to reality, shall we?

http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/race/

The figures reveal the continuing, extraordinary magnitude of minority incarceration and the stark disparity in their rates of incarceration compared to those of whites. Out of a total population of 1,976,019 incarcerated in adult facilities, 1,239,946 or 63 percent are black or Latino, though these two groups constitute only 25 percent of the national population

Oh, and btw....OJ is in jail, too.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Now that you've waved the OJ canard let's get back to reality, shall we?

Quite right.

Michael Jackson.

[campenney]

I think the law tramples on the rights of American citizens. If we ask every person who looks like they may be illegal, to see their papers, what would we sound like? Thats right, WW2 Nazis in Europe.

The real way is to deploy more boarder patrol agents, but that costs money and the politicians want nothing to do with that.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I think the law tramples on the rights of American citizens. If we ask every person who looks like they may be illegal, to see their papers, what would we sound like? Thats right, WW2 Nazis in Europe.

The real way is to deploy more boarder patrol agents, but that costs money and the politicians want nothing to do with that.

May well be unconstitutional.

More border patrols? Oh please. The problem exists because it is in no one's best interest to fix it. By 'no one' I mean the people who actually own and run the US.


What could Mexico or anyone else DO if say the US decided to mine its own borders? Declare war? Suddenly form an intense dislike of the US?

[Minimalist]

LOL.

If there is more desolate place on earth than route 8 along the southern edge of Arizona I can't imagine what it is.

Stationing troops there would have them begging to go back to Iraq for better weather.

Route 8 ( between Tucson and Yuma ) is two strips of pavement. Walk 10 yards off the road in either direction and you could shoot a caveman movie without having to worry about the modern world encroaching.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

If there is more desolate place on earth than route 8 along the southern edge of Arizona I can't imagine what it is.

Just a wild guess. Never been to Australia?

[Minimalist]

If there is more desolate place on earth than route 8 along the southern edge of Arizona I can't imagine what it is.

Just a wild guess. Never been to Australia?

Um...no.

My limit in a plane is about 8 hours.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Um...no.

My limit in a plane is about 8 hours.

Mine too, 9 tops, (Adelaide to Hong Kong. It's under 7 to Singapore.) Yet I've been to US several times. I have stopovers,not less than 3 days. However, I HAVE flown Vancouver to London direct,but only after taking a handful of serapax.

Australia has a 11 000 miles of coast, and around 80% of us live in 6 coastal cities. Most of the country inland is pretty much deserted except for millions of sheep and cattle as well as thousands of feral camels, horses buffalo,pigs and goats.

Most desolate places I've been:

'The Hay Plain' (about 500 miles wide) and parts of the Nullabor Plain.(about 700 miles wide) I haven't been more than a couple of hundred miles up north,where it gets really rugged (That's called The Outback)

Links below if you have a high boredom threshold.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hay,_New_South_Wales

The Nullarbor Plain is part of the area of flat, almost treeless, arid or semi-arid country immediately north of the Great Australian Bight. The word Nullarbor is derived from the Latin nullus, "no", and arbor, "tree", and is pronounced /ˈnʌlɚbɔr/ NUL-ər-bor. It is the world's largest single piece of limestone, and occupies an area of about 200,000 square kilometres (77,000 sq mi)[1]. At its widest point, it stretches about 1,100 kilometres (684 mi) from east to west between South Australia (SA) and Western Australia (WA).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullarbor_Plain

The Outback is the vast, remote, arid area of Australia, although the term colloquially can refer to any lands outside the main urban areas. The term "the outback" is generally used to refer to locations that are comparatively more remote than those areas deemed "the bush".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Outback