atheism and children

[robvalue]

It's funny how god can't create life anymore and needs us to do it for him. He used to be able to sneeze it out of dirt or something.

[massey904]

It's funny how god can't create life anymore and needs us to do it for him. He used to be able to sneeze it out of dirt or something.

See Genesis 1:28

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It's funny how god can't create life anymore and needs us to do it for him. He used to be able to sneeze it out of dirt or something.

See Genesis 1:28

Genesis 1:28 is a pro life statement from God.

[robvalue]

Really. Actions speak louder than words. The rest of the book is mostly about god murdering people who he doesn't like.

I'm starting to think you haven't read it.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I still don't understand what the difference is between placing a fertilized egg in the womb of parents who are incapable (through plumbing or motility, etc) of doing it with sex and taking that baby out of the womb at the end of the cycle. Is it more moral if the parents have sex before or after implantation?

I guess it's the word immoral that I am hanging up on. This implies that you think that two people who want a child of their own have done something wrong by creating a child using medical intervention, the same medical intervention that helps cure cancer, saves a baby's life that is born with some defect, or comes up with a polio vaccine. Why is this specific medical intervention immoral, but other fertility methods aren't? IVF doesn't do anything other than put the egg and the sperm together and implant some embryos where they grow inside the mother. I am just confused as to where the line is drawn, and how a person as intelligent as you obviously are wrestles with this internally. When do you decide that certain medical interventions are God's plan that we discover and utilize (modern medicine), and others are against God's plan (IVF)?

It's not necessarily placing the fertilized egg inside that's the problem for us. It's the actual joining of the sperm and the egg. Like I said, because we believe the creation of human life (the actual joining of sperm and egg) is a very sacred thing, we believe it should be kept in the purity of its natural form. Meaning egg/sperm should be put together through the act of self giving love.

Not because medical intervention is immoral across the board, but because this particular thing is a very sacred thing that we believe should be handled with a certain level of purity and respect to its natural form. For example, my cousin had some sort of issue where she was having a very hard time conceiving. So she had a surgery to fix this problem and make her more able to conceive. This is not immoral. The line is drawn when sperm and egg are put together through any other means besides sex.

That don't make a lick of sense.

[Catholic_Lady]

It's not necessarily placing the fertilized egg inside that's the problem for us. It's the actual joining of the sperm and the egg. Like I said, because we believe the creation of human life (the actual joining of sperm and egg) is a very sacred thing, we believe it should be kept in the purity of its natural form. Meaning egg/sperm should be put together through the act of self giving love.

Not because medical intervention is immoral across the board, but because this particular thing is a very sacred thing that we believe should be handled with a certain level of purity and respect to its natural form. For example, my cousin had some sort of issue where she was having a very hard time conceiving. So she had a surgery to fix this problem and make her more able to conceive. This is not immoral. The line is drawn when sperm and egg are put together through any other means besides sex.

That don't make a lick of sense.

Which aspect, precisely? I understand not agreeing, but can you at least see where we're coming from?

[RobbyPants]

So after starting this thread yesterday, I've noticed that a lot of atheists neither like children nor want them. Some even went as far as to say it's immoral to have them.

I've never met a group of people so anti kids lol. Most people want children or at least like them. I thought that was interesting/different and was curious to know how prevalent this sentiment actually was amongst atheists.

I have two girls, who are six and three. I don't know if it matters for your poll or not, but I was Christian (Lutheran) when we had our first kid.

Proof: :p

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[Catholic_Lady]

So after starting this thread yesterday, I've noticed that a lot of atheists neither like children nor want them. Some even went as far as to say it's immoral to have them.

I've never met a group of people so anti kids lol. Most people want children or at least like them. I thought that was interesting/different and was curious to know how prevalent this sentiment actually was amongst atheists.

I have two girls, who are six and three. I don't know if it matters for your poll or not, but I was Christian (Lutheran) when we had our first kid.

Proof: :p

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Oh my gosh, she's actually really beautiful. You'll have to be careful with her.

[Pyrrho]

Really. Actions speak louder than words. The rest of the book is mostly about murdering people who he doesn't like.

I'm starting to think you haven't read it.

I am thinking about three letters.  P, O, E.

[robvalue]

Really. Actions speak louder than words. The rest of the book is mostly about murdering people who he doesn't like.

I'm starting to think you haven't read it.

I am thinking about three letters.  P, O, E.

Yeah, I think you're right.

I'm getting rather sick of them. Don't they have anything better to do like snap their own necks?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thy7tKK0fU

[Catholic_Lady]

Really. Actions speak louder than words. The rest of the book is mostly about murdering people who he doesn't like.

I'm starting to think you haven't read it.

I am thinking about three letters.  P, O, E.

I was actually thinking the same thing....