Energy created nor destroyed.

[Longhorn]

Huggy, I'll tell you what I tell everyone who pulls out this fucking bullshit.

Demonstrate consciousness outside of a brain.

Simple as fucking that -_-

[Longhorn]

Oh and Huggy? From your own fucking link:

Reynolds near-death experience has been put forward as evidence supporting an afterlife by proponents such as cardiologist Michael Saborn in his book Light and Death, but critics say that the amount of time which Reynolds was 'flatlined' is generally misrepresented and suggest that her NDE occurred while under general anaesthesia when the brain was still active, hours before Reynolds underwent hypothermic cardiac arrest.

Anesthesiologist Gerald Woerlee analyzed the case, and concluded that Reynolds ability to perceive events during her surgery was the result of "anesthesia awareness".

According to the psychologist Chris French:

Woerlee an anesthesiologist with many years of clinical experience, has considered this case in detail and remains unconvinced of the need for a paranormal explanation... [He] draws attention to the fact that Reynolds could only give a report of her experience some time after she recovered from the anesthetic as she was still intubated when she regained consciousness. This would provide some opportunity for her to associate and elaborate upon the sensations she had experienced during the operation with her existing knowledge and expectations. The fact that she described the small pneumatic saw used in the operation also does not impress Woerlee. As he points out, the saw sounds like and, to some extent, looks like the pneumatic drills used by dentists.

[Lucanus]

Still, the subjects involved *could* be lying and we have no way of verifying that. Knowing human nature, it's not unlikely that people make up stories, even just to make a quick buck by selling books like that steaming pile of bullshit that was "Heaven is for real" (or whatever it was called).

ETA: also, what my bro Neim said

[Aoi Magi]

@OP: Tell your friend she has the soul of that chicken she ate last week, because of some complex thing called gaining energy from food. And also she probably has a few bits of other souls like Hitler perhaps, cause of energy transformation, and recycling and such...


@Huggy: Who says humans can't be charged back up? You just have to replace the damaged hardware components first.
Though the problem is your god is a shitty engineer who built us with one-time-use components, and didn't even provide the blueprints. So now we have to spend time to reverse engineer all of those and manufacture our own components.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Problem is that you can't completely kill the brain and then bring that person back to report on what they saw. You can't switch a brain on and off. You can inhibit neurons to fire less and slow it down. Anything more than that means that you need to damage the neurons. What this means is that for any subjective experience during a NDE, there is always a more plausible explanation.

But it's quite easy to objectively test. If every operating theatre had a very tall cupboard and at the top of it was a specific number printed facing upwards to the ceiling, then any patient floating around would be able to see and tell the doctors, "Oh there's a number 73 on top of that cupboard".

[Huggy Bear]

Oh and Huggy? From your own fucking link:

Reynolds near-death experience has been put forward as evidence supporting an afterlife by proponents such as cardiologist Michael Saborn in his book Light and Death, but critics say that the amount of time which Reynolds was 'flatlined' is generally misrepresented and suggest that her NDE occurred while under general anaesthesia when the brain was still active, hours before Reynolds underwent hypothermic cardiac arrest.

Anesthesiologist Gerald Woerlee analyzed the case, and concluded that Reynolds ability to perceive events during her surgery was the result of "anesthesia awareness".

According to the psychologist Chris French:

Woerlee an anesthesiologist with many years of clinical experience, has considered this case in detail and remains unconvinced of the need for a paranormal explanation... [He] draws attention to the fact that Reynolds could only give a report of her experience some time after she recovered from the anesthetic as she was still intubated when she regained consciousness. This would provide some opportunity for her to associate and elaborate upon the sensations she had experienced during the operation with her existing knowledge and expectations. The fact that she described the small pneumatic saw used in the operation also does not impress Woerlee. As he points out, the saw sounds like and, to some extent, looks like the pneumatic drills used by dentists.

Oh so there's skeptics? Point me to a subject where skepticism doesn't exist.

The main facts are that the woman had no blood flow to the brain and no brain activity.

The irony here is that you're willing to accept an explanation from someone who wasn't even present during the procedure.....

[Longhorn]

It's not that there are skeptics. Read what it fucking says. Pay extra special attention to the details of her only being able to recount what happened some time after regaining consciousness, and that her experience was most likely caused by anaesthesia BEFORE she flat lined.


You know what would solve this here conundrum if yours? You showing us consciousness occurring without a brain. Should be easy, eh? -_-

[I_am_not_mafia]

The main facts are that the woman had no blood flow to the brain and no brain activity.

"no brain activity" isn't actually no brain activity. Look at this headless squid that's served in a restaurant for example. The salt in the soy sauce causes the neurons in the tentacles to fire which is why the food moves. Eventually the activity slows down because the neurons are not able to charge up again. The brain of a patient will still have some neurons able to fire even with minimal blood flow. The fact that the patients reporting NDEs are not coming back completely brain dead vegetables tells us that there is still enough activity in the brain to maintain the neurons and stop them dying.

[Huggy Bear]

It's not that there are skeptics. Read what it fucking says. Pay extra special attention to the details of her only being able to recount what happened some time after regaining consciousness, and that her experience was most likely caused by anaesthesia BEFORE she flat lined.


You know what would solve this here conundrum if yours? You showing us consciousness occurring without a brain. Should be easy, eh? -_-

http://www.near-death.com/science/eviden...-dead.html

The next thing I recall was the sound: It was a Natural "D." As I listened to the sound, I felt it was pulling me out of the top of my head. The further out of my body I got, the more clear the tone became. I had the impression it was like a road, a frequency that you go on ... I remember seeing several things in the operating room when I was looking down. It was the most aware that I think that I have ever been in my entire life ...I was metaphorically sitting on [the doctor's] shoulder.  It was not like normal vision. It was brighter and more focused and clearer than normal vision ... There was so much in the operating room that I didn't recognize, and so many people.

I thought the way they had my head shaved was very peculiar. I expected them to take all of the hair, but they did not...

 

The saw-thing that I hated the sound of looked like an electric toothbrush and it had a dent in it, a groove at the top where the saw appeared to go into the handle, but it didn't ... And the saw had interchangeable blades, too, but these blades were in what looked like a socket wrench case ... I heard the saw crank up.  I didn't see them use it on my head, but I think I heard it being used on something. It was humming at a relatively high pitch and then all of a sudden it went Brrrrrrrrr! like that.

 

Someone said something about my veins and arteries being very small. I believe it was a female voice and that it was Dr. Murray, but I'm not sure. She was the cardiologist. I remember thinking that I should have told her about that ... I remember the heart-lung machine. I didn't like the respirator ... I remember a lot of tools and instruments that I did not readily recognize.

This account would be during the operation which would subsequently be during the time there was no brain activity, as the earlier article stated, she was being closely monitored.

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"no brain activity" isn't actually no brain activity. Look at this headless squid that's served in a restaurant for example. The salt in the soy sauce causes the neurons in the tentacles to fire which is why the food moves. Eventually the activity slows down because the neurons are not able to charge up again. The brain of a patient will still have some neurons able to fire even with minimal blood flow. The fact that the patients reporting NDEs are not coming back completely brain dead vegetables tells us that there is still enough activity in the brain to maintain the neurons and stop them dying.

Here's the thing, say your sleeping, and and Cirque du Soleil came into your room and put on a performance, you wouldn't be aware Cirque du Soleil was even in your room, and that's WITH a functioning brain.

Explain how this woman knows whats happening to her while she's brain dead?

[Longhorn]

Which is also covered by the section of your article I quoted. Did you even fucking read it? -_-

You know, you could just as easily cite an instance of consciousness existing outside of a brain.....aaaaaany minute now......