If You Were An Atheist

[John V]

I wonder why Christianity is still on your take seriously list.

That's your shortcoming. Most people have been theists of some sort. That doesn't mean you need to be. But, if you can't understand why others are, you have a serious deficiency in your understanding of the human condition.

[John V]

@Neim: I generally conclude that I'm doing well when another atheist comes in with memes. Thanks. 

[Longhorn]

@Neim: I generally conclude that I'm doing well when another atheist comes in with memes. Thanks. 

You are free to conclude whatever you like if it makes you feel better. His comeback was funny. I'm a sucker for funny c:

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

I wonder why Christianity is still on your take seriously list.

That's your shortcoming. Most people have been theists of some sort. That doesn't mean you need to be. But, if you can't understand why others are, you have a serious deficiency in your understanding of the human condition.

I mean,you can hold on to your beliefs as long as they seem to benefit you.
Just make sure it does no harm to you or to anyone around you.
Have a Good day.

[Pyrrho]

I don't think this is a simple question, but maybe I could rephrase it.

1.  If it were proven beyond all doubt that there is no God(s) of any religion and naturalism is the answer, how would your life change?

I think I would slip in to depression.  Life would have little meaning, there would be no hope for anything outside of this world.  But its difficult to say what would happen in all honesty.  No one can truly answer these types of questions accurately until put in that situation.

I am sorry that you would slip into a depression.   One of the reasons that I don't try to deconvert people is that I don't know how loss of faith would influence their emotional state. Some people need a religion and god.

Do you wonder why atheists aren't all depressed?

I seriously doubt he would be depressed for long.  He would find that his life was pretty nearly the same as before in most respects.  The birds and trees are all still there, his family and friends are all still there, and etc.  His concept of the universe would simply have a few less things in it, and likely lose "magic," but that is a good thing rather than a bad thing.

Everyone I know in real life who is a former theist was unhappy at first, but eventually became more happy than when they were believers.  Obviously, I cannot say that my experience with people must be representative of people generally, but from discussing things online with others, it certainly seems like it is.

And, for what it is worth, when I was a believer, I probably would have answered the question more or less as lkingpinl did.  But I am now much, much happier than I ever was as a believer.  I think the same is likely to be the case with him.

In other words, I totally believe he is being honest.  But I believe he is mistaken.

I have posted about my experience before:

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For those who were religious, how has your view of life changed?

Life is simpler and easier.  I do not believe in any new objects that I did not previously believe in; I just stopped believing in some objects.  The sun is still there, as are trees and rivers and other such things.  But there are no magical beings anymore.  So the world is more intelligible.  It is cleaner and less cluttered.

Also, I became a nicer person than I was before.  Less judgmental (some of you, go ahead and laugh!) and more inclined to live and let live, rather than feeling it my duty to bother other people.  (Theists who come to atheist sites are asking to be bothered, and typically go out of their way to explicitly ask to be bothered.  Also, by posting online in a thread at all, one is not keeping to oneself, and so one is asking for interaction with others.  Those who do not want their ridiculous beliefs ridiculed should keep them to themselves.  If one asks for trouble, one ought not complain if one gets trouble.)

I no longer worry about death.  (I was raised to believe in hellfire and damnation, and if such a place existed, there would always be the possibility that one would make a mistake and end up there.)

I am happier and more content with life.  Oh, wait, most of that is attributable to getting married (though I know more than one person for whom marriage was a terrible mistake, in my case, I chose well and am personally suited for it).  Still, becoming an atheist first, I was happier and more content with life than I had been as a Christian.  That was a surprising fringe benefit, as the deconversion process was extremely unpleasant.


In short, every change has been for the better.  I did not expect that when I was deconverting, and would not deconvert (or reconvert) just for that.  What matters is whether something is true or not, not whether it is comforting or not.  I stopped believing in Christianity not because I wanted to stop, but because it is too ridiculous to be believed by any thinking person who properly examines it.  And I could not believe that the truth required protection from examination; only false religions need that sort of protection to survive.

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[Thumpalumpacus]

I know. I just like seeing them squirm.

... especially when they're cute, and stacked.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I'd give less to charity and be less forgiving.

So you're only a decent person due to your superstition?

By all means, please keep believing. The world has enough shitbags as it is.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Me too.

If I was an atheist I'd probably be one of those really smug ones who insists on seeing evidence of a car before buying it.

The nerve!

[Thumpalumpacus]

Life would have little meaning, there would be no hope for anything outside of this world.  

Two questions, and a comment:

1) Why do you think life would lose meaning?

2) Why is "hope for anything outside of this world" -- I'm assuming you're talking about an afterlife --why is that a bad thing? Do you remember how things were for you before you were born?

3) We each supply meaning to our own lives. You do, I do, we each do, except for those folk who hold that life cannot have meaning. You have chosen to find your meaning in life through your faith. That's cool, whatever gets you through the night, it's all good. But don't think for a moment that is not a choice you've made. You have chosen to make your faith the meaning and self-definition of your life. It is not inherently the case.

[Pyrrho]

This is the seventh thread in which I ask theists very simple questions that deserve very simple answers. The last one was History Repeats Itself.

The question I propose to you is:

1. If you were an atheist tomorrow, how would you change the rest of your life? Personality, morals, etc.
   

I only decided to put one question this time, so it should be pretty easy to answer.

Thanks!

OK, if you insist on a simple answer: I wouldn't read the Bible, pray, or post on this site. I'd give less to charity and be less forgiving.

I can easily understand why you would not read the Bible or pray.  But why would you be less forgiving?  Do you think you would improve your life by being less forgiving?