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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 12:57 pm
(August 18, 2015 at 12:24 pm)msid Wrote: (August 18, 2015 at 12:21 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: There is pretty good evidence that our "choices" are actually an illusion. Your brain, on the quantum level, is a machine which operates by certain parameters. There is evidence that everything you do is inevitable.
then this whole conversation is just being typed out by some other force that is controlling our lives so if that is true then there is really nothing we can do about that and our lives would have no meaning
Not another force. You. Whatever 'you' is. We still aren't sure. But don't arbitrarily attribute agency to this. However, the things we are sure of tell us that what is likely true is that free will is not a real thing.
Also, take care to not appeal to emotion. Just because something would be nice, there is no reason based on that alone to consider that thing true.
Meaning, even if an illusion, is still important for us. Even if we only think we have free will, and we only think we have meaning, that doesn't mean that the consequences of thinking this way aren't as important to us.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 1:00 pm
(August 18, 2015 at 2:25 am)msid Wrote: hello, i am a born again christian who is looking to understand and discuss your reasons for being an athiest. i am NOT here to argue or change your mind. People can be atheists as a result of general ignorance; however you will find that many fight against rational faith. They do so for many reasons: previous experiences with unloving Christians, exposure half-truths and lies about the Gospel, or just a general desire to justify sinful sensuality and the conveniences of selfishness.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 1:00 pm
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Jesus does not cause any of this. because of our fallen world the Devil is constantly causing bad in the world. No one said that Jesus "causes" this.
Rather it's that God/Jesus/Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah will answer mundane prayers like, the woman finding her car keys, or the football player asking for a touchdown, but won't answer important prayers like the child in Africa asking for food to avoid starving to death.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 1:01 pm
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(August 18, 2015 at 12:50 pm)msid Wrote: well its been great discussing with everyone i now understand your point of view a little more.
i am a 14 year old pastors daughter and i know if i mentioned that earlier i probobally would have been shot down immediately.
thank you for the discussions and i will be praying for all of you 
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 1:06 pm
(August 18, 2015 at 1:00 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (August 18, 2015 at 2:25 am)msid Wrote: hello, i am a born again christian who is looking to understand and discuss your reasons for being an athiest. i am NOT here to argue or change your mind. People can be atheists as a result of general ignorance; however you will find that many fight against rational faith. They do so for many reasons: previous experiences with unloving Christians, exposure half-truths and lies about the Gospel, or just a general desire to justify sinful sensuality and the conveniences of selfishness.
Right. Then there's that part about Christians failing to provide compelling evidence or arguments.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 1:12 pm
(August 18, 2015 at 12:50 pm)msid Wrote: well its been great discussing with everyone i now understand your point of view a little more.
i am a 14 year old pastors daughter and i know if i mentioned that earlier i probobally would have been shot down immediately.
thank you for the discussions and i will be praying for all of you
Owww, thanks. I'll suck satan's dick for you too
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 1:14 pm
(August 18, 2015 at 1:00 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: People can be atheists as a result of general ignorance; however you will find that many fight against rational faith. They do so for many reasons: previous experiences with unloving Christians, exposure half-truths and lies about the Gospel, or just a general desire to justify sinful sensuality and the conveniences of selfishness.
Rational faith? You slay me, Chad. It's even funnier because the humor is unintentional.
It's amazing the bullshit you have to pull out of your ass to rationalize simply having no evidence for your pet claims.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 1:17 pm
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(August 18, 2015 at 1:12 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: (August 18, 2015 at 12:50 pm)msid Wrote: well its been great discussing with everyone i now understand your point of view a little more.
i am a 14 year old pastors daughter and i know if i mentioned that earlier i probobally would have been shot down immediately.
thank you for the discussions and i will be praying for all of you
Owww, thanks. I'll suck satan's dick for you too
Now, now . . . we'll have none of that. She's fourteen and a pastor's daughter.
Give her four to six years and she'll be handling that on her own with no help from you. 
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 1:26 pm
(August 18, 2015 at 1:06 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: (August 18, 2015 at 1:00 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: People can be atheists as a result of general ignorance; however you will find that many fight against rational faith. They do so for many reasons: previous experiences with unloving Christians, exposure half-truths and lies about the Gospel, or just a general desire to justify sinful sensuality and the conveniences of selfishness.
Right. Then there's that part about Christians failing to provide compelling evidence or arguments.
Both the evidence and arguments have been provided throughout history. You atheists just come up with excuses for not accepting them. The Holy Spirit is reaching out to you but you will not listen.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 1:30 pm
The spirit of rationality is reaching out to you, Chad, but you just won't listen. Why won't you listen, Chad?
You see how much of a condescending dick you sound like?
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