Your thoughts on Satanism and the petition for a Satanic statue.

[abaris]

Do I have to care? Lol. I personally don't care whether there are or aren't any religious symbols on public property. Other people's religious symbols don't bother me in the least bit, and I have zero reason to be offended or feel disrespected by someone else's religious symbols, in and of themselves. Because of everything I have already explained though, I do not think it would be right to put a Demon right next to the 10 commandments. But generally speaking, I don't care what symbols are on this property.

And so you do care. If you didn't, you wouldn't have any objections. The intent is to be provocative. They wanted to point out that the constitution is broken by a religious display on public ground. And the courts, as I said above, thinks the same.

[rexbeccarox]

How about not putting up any religious symbols on public land out of respect? Why has that not occurred to you?

Do I have to care?

You're the one who started the thread...

Lol. I personally don't care whether there are or aren't any religious symbols on public property. Other people's religious symbols don't bother me in the least bit, and I have zero reason to be offended or feel disrespected by someone else's religious symbols, in and of themselves.

You might have zero reason, but that's shallow thinking. We are meant to have a separation of church and state in this country; any religious symbol is an affront to what we constitutionally stand for.

Because of everything I have already explained though, I do not think it would be right to put a Demon right next to the 10 commandments.

The 10 Commandments are from the OT. I thought you took the entire thing allegorically, and as such, both the commandments and the Satan symbol are allegorical. Not only that, the Torah is the Jewish holy book, and Jews have no reason to think of the Satan figure as a demon.

But generally speaking, I don't care what symbols are on this property.

Yes you do: you're looking for special attention by not erecting a Satan statue next to a Ten Commandments one. Why do the Ten Commandments get first dibs?

[rexbeccarox]

I think you "having a problem" with someone putting their religious icon next to your religious icon, when both are on public land, says more about you that it does anything else.  Do you really not see the hypocrisy of such a position?

If you don't, then you are beyond ever understanding just how absurd the debate sounds to those of us who are Americans, but are definitely not Christian, sounds.

Do you not understand the difference between putting a swastika right next to a Jewish Star, verses putting it somewhere on its own to represent Hinduism? 

The way certain things are presented can have certain connotations.

When did the Satanists attempt genocide on the Christians?

[Catholic_Lady]

Do I have to care? Lol. I personally don't care whether there are or aren't any religious symbols on public property. Other people's religious symbols don't bother me in the least bit, and I have zero reason to be offended or feel disrespected by someone else's religious symbols, in and of themselves. Because of everything I have already explained though, I do not think it would be right to put a Demon right next to the 10 commandments. But generally speaking, I don't care what symbols are on this property.

And so you do care. If you didn't, you wouldn't have any objections. The intent is to be provocative. They wanted to point out that the constitution is broken by a religious display on public ground. And the courts, as I said above, thinks the same.

My objection is to the hateful implication of putting a Demon next to the 10 Commandments, in the same way I'd feel if someone wanted to put a swastika next to the Jewish Star. If someone wants to put a statue of a demon somewhere, on it's own, to represent their beliefs, I don't care. If someone wants to put a swastika somewhere, on it's own, to represent Hinduism, I don't care.

[abaris]

My objection is to the hateful implication of putting a Demon next to the 10 Commandments, in the same way I'd feel if someone wanted to put a swastika next to the Jewish Star. If someone wants to put a statue of a demon somewhere, on it's own, to represent their beliefs, I don't care. If someone wants to put a swastika somewhere, on it's own, to represent Hinduism, I don't care.

No, it's absolutely not on these lines. Absolutely not, since one is mythology and the other has been a gruesome reality. It's meant to be thought provoking. It's meant to point out, if you feel entitled to do it, we claim the same rights. By shocking people - and it obviously worked.

[Catholic_Lady]

My objection is to the hateful implication of putting a Demon next to the 10 Commandments, in the same way I'd feel if someone wanted to put a swastika next to the Jewish Star. If someone wants to put a statue of a demon somewhere, on it's own, to represent their beliefs, I don't care. If someone wants to put a swastika somewhere, on it's own, to represent Hinduism, I don't care.

No, it's absolutely not on these lines. Absolutely not, since one is mythology and the other has been a gruesome reality. It's meant to be thought provoking. It's meant to point out, if you feel entitled to do it, we claim the same rights. By shocking people - and it obviously worked.

It's the principle, Abaris. To the people who invented the demon, it is a symbol of hatefulness and evil. So to put one right next to something else that is sacred to those people, is a sign of hostility and hate.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

How about not putting up any religious symbols on public land out of respect? Why has that not occurred to you?

No, no, no, Stimbo. Don't you get it? Only the Christians should be able to make everyone else feel like they're under the thumb of their religious ideologies via symbols placed on public lands like a dog peeing on a fire hydrant.

When the rest of us do something similar, we're being disrespectful, you see. It's so ludicrous I could cry.

My objection is to the hateful implication of putting a Demon next to the 10 Commandments

You know what's disrespectful, Cath? Trying to put things like the Ten Commandments (either version) on our courthouses and places of lawmaking. Those violate of every precept of our secular, democratic Constitutional Repulic:

1.“You shall have no other gods before me."

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;


2. “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below."

or abridging the freedom of speech,

+2."You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."

nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

3. "You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name."

or abridging the freedom of speech,

4. "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

http://www.nfl.com/ Because 'Murka.

5. "Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/childrens_rights

6. "You shall not murder."

Hey, we found one that's okay! Hooray!

7 "You shall not commit adultery."

Oops. We're actually still fighting over this one.

8. "You shall not steal."

Hooray! We've now found two Commandments which don't violate the U.S. Constitution.


9. "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor."

Hooray! The total is up to three out of ten.

10. "You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

So the entire American economic system, then. I happen to agree with Pope Francis on this one.

But my point remains, here, that if you're truly concerned about not putting up religious symbols that are offensive and directly contrary/hostile to the things they stand beside, then nothing could be more so than the Bible itself, in any form, placed next to the monuments of American (Constitutional) government. Christianity, particularly in its Old Testament form, is against everything for which this country was created to stand.

[rexbeccarox]

No, it's absolutely not on these lines. Absolutely not, since one is mythology and the other has been a gruesome reality. It's meant to be thought provoking. It's meant to point out, if you feel entitled to do it, we claim the same rights. By shocking people - and it obviously worked.

It's the principle, Abaris. To the people who invented the demon, it is a symbol of hatefulness and evil. So to put one right next to something else that is sacred to those people, is a sign of hostility and hate.

No it's not!!! The Jews invented the "demon" and there's no reason for them to think of it as a hateful symbol.

I find the cross utterly offensive and horrible; should I tell that lady standing behind me in the grocery line to go elsewhere because I'm offended her cross necklace is in the vicinity of my FSM tshirt?

Come ON!

[Catholic_Lady]

Do you not understand the difference between putting a swastika right next to a Jewish Star, verses putting it somewhere on its own to represent Hinduism? 

The way certain things are presented can have certain connotations.

When did the Satanists attempt genocide on the Christians?

They didn't. But it's the principle I'm talking about. 

Wouldn't you say there's a difference between having the swastika as a Hindu sign somewhere, and having it right next to the Jewish Star? Don't you think there's a difference and that it would imply something different?

[Catholic_Lady]

It's the principle, Abaris. To the people who invented the demon, it is a symbol of hatefulness and evil. So to put one right next to something else that is sacred to those people, is a sign of hostility and hate.

No it's not!!! The Jews invented the "demon" and there's no reason for them to think of it as a hateful symbol.

I find the cross utterly offensive and horrible; should I tell that lady standing behind me in the grocery line to go elsewhere because I'm offended her cross necklace is in the vicinity of my FSM tshirt?

Come ON!

Of course not. That's not what I said.