Your thoughts on Satanism and the petition for a Satanic statue.

[Alex K]

CL, you often say worrying stuff concerning morals etc, and our first encounter was not so pleasant for that reason, but knowing you better, since you obviously have a good heart, I'd accuse you of sometimes being terribly oblivious, not malevolent. Like your complete bafflement that believers of other faiths or no faith might feel threatened when your religion sets up displays of religious dogma in public courthouses etc., even though you're aware (at least you are now, thanks to the funny Satanists) that you would feel  exactly the same way if the tables were turned.

You may have misunderstood. I couldn't care less if there was a Satanist statue, or a Buddha, or a Jewish star on public land lol. It's the intended sign of hostility/hate by putting Satan right next to the 10 commandments that I don't like. Standing on it's own, I wouldn't really care.

Ok how about if it stood next to the courtroom you were being sued in for whatever, and it said

I am your Master, Warblegarble
You shall have no other masters
Do not drink Tea on tuesdays or you shall burn for eternity
Do not think about pencils and pens or you are an abomination
and so on in that fashion

And imagine that this is the code virtually everyone in your society professed to follow, and they put it there in all earnest.

Tell me you wouldn't freak out a little bit.

And the Jury eyes you suspiciously, and you imagine them whispering among each other "I know we're serposed to be neutral and all, but we have the monument we believe in standing there for a reason, no? She looks like a tuesday teadrinker, doesn't she? And an awfully nice handwriting, too. Im objective and all, but that just screams "I'm guilty""

[Redbeard The Pink]

They're all Atheists who use the symbol of the Demon to represent personal freedoms and their opposition to the idea of God:

Depictions of religious scenes and Judeo-Christian monuments have nothing to do with public endorsement of religion; but rather public recognition of the historical role those religions have played in the birth and development of the United States of America. They also honor the convictions that motivated and sustained the great men and women that have served our country. Satanism has never made and never will make any positive contribution to this great nation. This particular group of atheist assholes has no higher motivation than to piss on everything good and decent. So yes, they should not only banned but humiliated and excoriated for acting like self-satisfied and petulant children.

That atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief, as has been loudly and consistently expressed on AF, and as such, the only true and accurate monument to atheism is nothing at all, an empty space where their sense of decency should be.  Anything else is just more of the same conceited hypocritical anti-Christian and anti-Semitic bigotry.

Fucking assholes.

Freedom of religion means freedom of religion, Baby-Screams. If the state endorses one, it has to endorse others.

And yes, the state allowing religious symbols on public land is an endorsement of whichever religion it is, regardless of whatever semantics you employ to the contrary.

Atheistic world views are as varied as the people who hold them. There is no such thing as a true and accurate monument to atheism.

[Longhorn]

You guys just don't get it, do you?

It's ok when xtians do it, because they're obviously right. All the other religions are just yknow, fucking around.


I'm deeply offended by religious statues of any kind, but I guess I'd have to be xtian for that to count.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Freedom of religion means freedom of religion, Baby-Screams. If the state endorses one, it has to endorse others.

And yes, the state allowing religious symbols on public land is an endorsement of whichever religion it is, regardless of whatever semantics you employ to the contrary.

Atheistic world views are as varied as the people who hold them. There is no such thing as a true and accurate monument to atheism.

All views are as varied as the people who hold them, even among Christians or any other faith. It's almost like people are individuals.

However, "True Scotsman" arguments set aside for a moment, we can focus on a few things that most of us who have rejected the primary religious views of our day/culture, and thus taken up the title of "atheist" as part of our self- and public-descriptive nomenclature, have in common. Likely, we can find therein some few things we can put up as monuments. Remember, a monument need not represent every single possible attribute of a group, nor every individual perspective of individuals within that group; it need only be a symbol of some aspect that is laudable-- an example might be the Statue of Liberty for the USA.

In that respect, I'd say we have a few icons, such as our thinkers and teachers, and the words they spoke, of which we might make statues for placement on the courthouse steps:

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And thus, did all the people say:

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R'Amen.

[Catholic_Lady]

Didn't realize this post had already gone though. Delete.

[Catholic_Lady]

You guys just don't get it, do you?

It's ok when xtians do it, because they're obviously right. All the other religions are just yknow, fucking around.


I'm deeply offended by religious statues of any kind, but I guess I'd have to be xtian for that to count.

Vic, neither me nor Chad is saying we're offended by statues of other religions. It's not like I get offended when I see something Jewish or Hindu or whatever. I honestly don't really care. This is a clear strawman.

[Longhorn]

Um, no. You're the one with the clear straw man. When did I imply that?

[Catholic_Lady]

Um, no. You're the one with the clear straw man. When did I imply that?

My apologies. This made it sound like you were implying that I think only Christians can have their religious stuff in public, and that I'm offended by others' religious stuff, but I may have misunderstood:

It's ok when xtians do it, because they're obviously right. All the other religions are just yknow, fucking around.


I'm deeply offended by religious statues of any kind, but I guess I'd have to be xtian for that to count.

[Longhorn]

And where did I mention your name exactly? Or make a reference to you?

[Catholic_Lady]

And where did I mention your name exactly? Or make a reference to you?

I'm the only Christian posting on this thread, with the exception of Chad's one post. But if you meant someone else, I apologize for jumping to conclusions.