California Approves Doctor Assisted Suicide

[Minimalist]

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/californ...d-suicide/

As always....

Some religious organizations, including the Roman Catholic Church, also opposed the bill.

Go fuck yourselves, ya perverts.

[AFTT47]

The legislature approved it. California governor Jerry Brown is a liberal though so I'm guessing he'll sign it. Good news.

[c172]

Good start. I'd like to see it expanded to cover certain people that are short of a terminal diagnosis, but I'm not even sure where I'd stop.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Good. The freedom to decide one's own fate is the most basic freedom.

[vorlon13]

I sure have mixed feelings about this.

I spent a great deal of time pondering this topic back in the 80s for obvious reasons.

No one ever asked me for help or advice, and I was somewhat surprised. Ken, CL, Ern all went off by themselves and took care of it on their own. I've never second guessed their decisions. I remain surprised there weren't more, actually.

Brian didn't. Not even close, he was gonna beat it right up until he didn't. If he'd asked for me to be with him if he had done it I would have. After he was gone I wasn't suicidal myself, despite my misery, it would have been inappropriate to have in regards to Brian. Despite not being suicidal afterwards, I'll admit being indifferent about living for months.

I think had Dennis not gone blind he would have. He had the KS real bad and was horribly disfigured, but he was mostly unaware, and medicated in any regard. Starving to death from multiple tumorous obstructions throughout his GI tract could not have been pleasant, but he never complained about that.

Dave didn't suicide, but he didn't put up much of a fight either. He wanted out of the situation any way possible as soon as possible and it didn't take long.

And then there's the other Ken. The only one I even briefly entertained the idea of offing myself.

He was the one who told me the virus would let him live as long as he was useful to it . . . .



This is a big subject. I've spent much time with it, and with others both HIV - and +, and I'll be damned if there is any good answer out there.



It's a CF all the way around.



I wish I could talk to Brian about it now.

[Alex K]

"I'm strictly against it because it is such an unpleasant subject to think about"

[vorlon13]

I'm envious of those the subject has not been forced upon . . .

[Ravenshire]

Good to see that, should I ever need this particular service, I no longer have to return to the PacNW for it. It also brightens my hope that Colorado will wise up and get a similar law on the books.

[zebo-the-fat]

The UK has just voted against it, you can do it for a dog that's suffering, but not a human? If I am in pain with no hope of a cure I want the choice!

[Pyrrho]

The UK has just voted against it, you can do it for a dog that's suffering, but not a human? If I am in pain with no hope of a cure I want the choice!

Dogs are better than people.

Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in.

- Mark Twain, a Biography

http://www.twainquotes.com/Dogs.html

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The difference in the law seems to be based on religious ideas about humans having souls and other animals not having souls, so that it is okay to kill other animals, but not people, who should last as long as God wants them to last.  Rather ironically, the people who believe that typically have no objections to doing things to prolong one's life rather than letting nature take its course, but religious people are rarely consistent.

You may now tell me that the UK is full of atheists and such, but they have still been influenced in their thinking from a culture in which Christianity has played a prominent role.  Giving up one part of a religion does not necessarily mean giving up every bit of it.

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