Personal relationships with deities

[vorlon13]

I'd like to request a relationship with Priapus . . .

[Salacious B. Crumb]

This is a phrase I've heard thrown about so much that I thought it deserved its own topic. To me, this is a sensible, loose definition of a personal relationship:

An independent observer can verify that

1) Both parties in the relationship exist, and are easily distinguishable from being imaginary.
2) Both parties have an independent intelligence.
3) Both parties directly communicate with the other party in a meaningful, observable way.

In this way, I can have personal relationship with any human, any animal that has some way to at least acknowledge my interaction with it, and arguably with an artificial intelligence. It seems to me that if these 3 criteria are not met, it is not a meaningful personal relationship. The only exception I can think of is where one party becomes unable to communicate at some point, such as a friend going into a coma. You could maybe argue that you can continue to have a personal relationship with them, based on your history together, even though they can't directly answer back.

However, it seems to me that most people's personal relationship with God/Jesus/Allah etc. satisfies not even one of these criteria. In those cases, I would expect to witness them simply sitting in a room by themselves, either talking out loud to no one or just thinking things. How can I possibly accept this as a relationship? I've asked for indirect confirmation, such as the other party telling them something they couldn't already know, but I've never received this even using very simple criteria.

If there is anyone here who thinks their relationship with a deity actually does meet all these criteria, I'd be very interested to hear about it. Do you think you could convince an independent observer of those points? If someone wants to argue you can have a relationship while not meeting any of these criteria, then feel free. Then there is the problem of people all having a personal relationship with supposedly the same being (God/Jesus etc) but then coming back with contradictory messages. This means that one of these must be the case:

(1) Most of the people who think they are having this relationship actually aren't
(2) The relationship is such that the being cannot accurately express itself in a meaningful way
(3) The being is deliberately sending out conflicting messages
(4) There is no such being and people are imagining the responses

This last point is covered well in this humorous video by Nonstampcollector.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLBDFe3mDtk

I was going to chop all of this up, and feed it back to you but upon closer inspection I agree.

That said on the flip side of that coin once you have the confirmation you seek, what then do you think your responsibility/reaction should be?

And, I think that we went over this part too.

All of the whatever you ASK for in my name.. Or whatever you ASK for in prayer, will be given to you.

John 14:13-14, Mark 11:24, Matthew 21:22. Just keep picking and choosing, and dodging every biblical verse you can to try to convince yourself that, god doesn’t answer all prayers, or as you like to word them.. petitions. Clearly it says all petitions will be answered by jeebus. When you are handed these verses, what actually happens in your brain? Do you tell yourself that these verses don’t exist? Or what do you translate them to in your brain? Or do you go by something else that’s contradictory to these verses? You must.. Or was jesus only talking to Phillip, and Phillip alone. Will he only grant Phillip’s or his disciples’ prayers that were present, is that the kind of savior that you worship? How come everyone else doesn’t get their petitions answered (unless, of course, they will occur naturally, by themselves)?

[robvalue]

Drich: You agree? Thanks So do you have a personal relationship with a deity I could verify in this way? Or would you not class it as that?

I don't understand your question. If I could verify you're having a relationship with Jesus say, why would that give me a responsibility? I'd be happy to tell everyone that I had confirmed Jesus was in fact real and you were talking to him. Anyone else could witness this for themselves, presumably. What other responsibility do you suggest?

I would be very surprised, that I'd been able to observe Jesus/God as real and watch them communicate with you. You'd be the first person to produce any such evidence. I'd wonder why no one else had been able to. I'd probably ask them some questions of my own.

[MTL]

I have a deep personal relationship with my pillow. There is no one else I cuddle that much

I tried cuddling with my dog.

But it's one of those Theory VS. Reality situations:

[vorlon13]

Good illustration there, but the dog's butt needs to be much closer to the ladies nose.

[MTL]

I'd like to request a relationship with Priapus . . .

[MTL]

Good illustration there, but the dog's butt needs to be much closer to the ladies nose.

there ya go:

[vorlon13]

LOL !!!

Jesus, that can't end well.

Ooofda !!

[Minimalist]

Most people with invisible friends grow out of it by the time they are 6 at the latest.  Those who don't are called theists.

[ignoramus]

A theist talking to Jesus is no different to a normal person talking to someone on his phone via a Bluetooth earpiece, but without the earpiece.
Why should a little Bluetooth earpiece cause so much controversy! hehe