The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians

[downbeatplumb]

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[robvalue]

10) Thought you were someone else
11) Keyboard pissing me off
12) Atheist rage
13) Soulless projection

[Catholic_Lady]

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Woooo! Buy me one, pops!

[Neo-Scholastic]

In what way, as an atheist, would you have said that man is less than perfect? What is the standard?

In the sense that people are far less than what they could actually be. So much unfulfilled potential. But you ask a very good question. By what standard can an atheist make value judgments? It took me a while to realize that the moral theory of the Nichomachean Ethics that I espoused presupposed such a standard that, as an ontological naturalist, I could not supply.

[abaris]

In the sense that people are far less than what they could actually be. So much unfulfilled potential.

No, people are less than perfect because we have nukes but still follow our competitive ape instincts. Breast pounding is much more popular than actually looking for an agreement. That goes for politics as well as economics as well as individual relations.

[Cyberman]

"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp; or what's a heaven for?"
-- Robert Browning

I think you're selling the human capacity to be human somewhat short, Chad.

[Mudhammam]

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I think it's understandable that atheists would be inclined to insult Christians, or any other believer of a sect that says atheists are either obstinate or blind fools…

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You, Nestor, are neither obstinate or a blind fool. I see you as a generally thoughtful and reflective thinker with a sincere desire to pursue the truth wherever it may lead you.

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People, regardless of faith or lack thereof, can be stubborn and/or stupid.

I do however believe that the worst representatives of each side make entirely different claims about the worst representatives of the other. The worst atheists call believers irrational deluded and self-righteous sheep. The worst believers call atheists angry embittered libertines. I think there is some truth to those accusations when applied to the right people.

…[Christians claim that people]…have been conditioned with a disease since birth that demands their so-called souls to be eternally tormented by the Creator of the universe if they don't believe what Christians say

I guess it depends on whether you believe that Man has innate limitations that lead inevitably toward errors of judgment or whether Man is in his natural state perfect but his abilities get compromised by external forces. Christian doctrine rests on the former belief. Even if I were still an atheist I would still consider human beings less than perfect. At the same time, I recognize that social structures can mitigate those errors.

As for your follow-up statement, I do not think there is a clear consensus about the degree to which Christianity is an exclusionary religion. All Christians believe that Christ Jesus is the sole means by which people overcome and achieve victory over sin and death, that much is true, but subsequent (non-essential) doctrines expressing how the Lord administers His saving Grace vary greatly.

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[Homeless Nutter]

In the sense that people are far less than what they could actually be. So much unfulfilled potential. [...]

How do you figure that?  You're comparing real people, living in a real, complex world to some naive, childish idea of humans, that you got from fairy-tales about princes, knights and wizards. It's a misanthropic view, typical for people who prefer to live in a fantasy world, rather than the real one.

It's like that retarded idea, that humans use only 10% of their brains - wishful thinking, with no basis in facts and copious amounts of evidence to the contrary.

[Randy Carson]

In what way, as an atheist, would you have said that man is less than perfect?  What is the standard?

In the sense that people are far less than what they could actually be. So much unfulfilled potential. But you ask a very good question. By what standard can an atheist make value judgments? It took me a while to realize that the moral theory  of the Nichomachean Ethics that I espoused presupposed such a standard that, as an ontological naturalist, I could not supply.

It seems to me that our technology and knowledge about the sciences have advanced far beyond that of our forebears - but our morality has not.

We have better stuff, but we are not better people.

[Cyberman]

Yeah, there's a reason you used the word "seems" there.