A discussion around family table.

[Watson]

I do mix you three up a bit. I'll try and remember that it is YOU who have never read the book you consider holy.

I never said I haven't read it. I just haven't finished the whole thing. At least it's better than what you did. You stared at the pages for hours and didn't ever read a single thing.

However, Tack seems to be a bible-reader-imposter. He has been shown that everything he thinks the bible says actually says something different.

You are ridiculous.

Neither of you have made even the slightest case in favour of the horror book. You have just made xtianity look even worse. Baby Jesus is now crying.

I'm almost 100% cetrain you're just being an idiot on purpose. You have been the ultimate hypocrite, accusing us of cherry-picking while simultaneously going through and picking apart our arguments, constructing new ones from them so you don't have to wrap your mind around any new counter-points. You are literally creating your own enemy and ignoring anything we say that doesn't fit your narrow-minded view of our beliefs. You have shown zero comprehension of what we are trying to get across to you, and it's a wonder you don't think you're on a fundamentalist Christian website, the way you reconstruct every argument presented to you into one. What the fuck.

[tackattack]

[Scented Nectar]

[tackattack]

[Scented Nectar]

[tackattack]

You obviously don't get it SN, I'm not here to make you a believer, just attempting to share my side of it and see yours. We're not debating anything here I agreed with your face value literal definition of the scriptures. You can read an entire dictionary though and not find any meaning in it. You choose not to take context into account, yet are complaining that you don't understand. You obviously are more up for debate than listening. You can define faith any way you like, you seem to accept only the interpretations of words that coincide with your biases. You and the writer above claim how can you believe in something you can't interact with. We're saying you can't know if something exists unless you've interacted with it. If you feel every theist is a delusional, irrational unicorn believer than fine by me. If you want to believe the holy spirit is just an emotional state, fine by me. I really wish you wouldn't speak to things you have no context or belief in though. That along with your continued baseless assumptions on my motives and your failure to attempt to see the other side of the issue makes you seem closed-minded and ignorant. I think we'll just have to call this one failing to see eye to eye.

[AngelThMan]

My family is VERY catholic, to the point where they invite a priest to lunch at least once a week. They do not know im an atheist so i try to suffer through that. However last week an interaction caught my attention.

The priest was talking about a Romanian homeless guy who still came to his Church every week, apparently not for shelter but for belief. He did not even beg for money there. But the priest said he was troubling the rest of the people (smell, mostly) and ended up getting him thrown out by the police, and they were laughing about it with all the ever-present immigration jokes...

Isnt the Church the ONE place on Earth where this guy should not be persecuted, judged by what he looks like and should be helped ? To me this was not much, but it was enough to know that hypocrisy is the key word in Christianity. It disgusted me.

So now you're going to use this case of one selfish priest to dismiss Christianity as hypocritical? Nevermind that there are millions of Christian missions throughout the world that help people. Just next month, a group of Christians I know are traveling to Africa with their church to work on expanding an orphanage, and build a playground for children.

[Paul the Human]

Just because Christians do charitable things does not mean that Christianity isn't rife with hypocrisy, so your point is moot. Besides, while the individuals involved may be doing it to help others, the church has the underlying goal of proselytizing to the poor heathens. Altruism it is not.

[tackattack]

Just because Christians do charitable things does not mean that Christianity isn't rife with hypocrisy, so your point is moot. Besides, while the individuals involved may be doing it to help others, the Catholic church has the underlying goal of proselytizing to the poor heathens. Altruism it is not.

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[Paul the Human]

I agree that the Catholic church is probably the one most actively involved in proselytizing disguised as international charity, but there are plenty of Protestant/Baptist churches that do so, as well.