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RE: With Science and Archaeology and Miracle's evidence for God
September 20, 2015 at 6:04 am
(September 20, 2015 at 5:45 am)TheThinkingCatholic Wrote: The real reason why I got kicked out of the other forum,is because of ignorant and dishonest atheist's but here am expecting the opposite.
Which reads to me as, why yes, Johnny C, I am that hesso of which you speak. You got booted out of there for copypasta spam. Keep that shit up and you wont last but a minute here.
You know what the actual evidence for god is? Me. I don't know why you people continually fail to grasp this supposed central tenet of your faith. Yeah, faith. Faith ain't about religion. The religious agenda stole the term and fucked it all up. Faith is moral certainty. Its evolutionary context derives from the human ability to simulate future. Without an innate sense of righteousness, wrong-headedness would be far more widespread.
You're not really trying to bring people to god because god is already with them. You are serving your own agenda most likely handed to you through ministry. Seeking to affirm your chosen path by making converts is frowned upon on atheist forums. If you actually believe in god, communication with people on an even platform - rather than from a pulpit - using your own heart-felt words - rather than the copypasta bullshit foisted upon you - will serve god far better as god will be evidenced in you.
Of course I think you'll fuck it up, but that just me. 
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RE: With Science and Archaeology and Miracle's evidence for God
September 20, 2015 at 6:05 am
(September 20, 2015 at 6:01 am)robvalue Wrote: If you can define God in such a way that I can distinguish it from nothing or an unnecessary assumption, I'll accept it's not made up.
I tried. You ignored me.
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RE: With Science and Archaeology and Miracle's evidence for God
September 20, 2015 at 6:07 am
Let me make myself very clear here.
The impact of bible god on my life is the same Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster have. He's man made. And if I'm opposed to anything god related then it is people, who live under the delusion of being his ground crew, and ride the high horse of pseudo science and unfunded claims. Follow you Iron Age morality to your hearts content. But don't expect people falling to their knees and cheering you on if you just post the same bullshit we've seen about a million times already.
Baseless claims don't suddenly get a foundation by repetition.
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RE: With Science and Archaeology and Miracle's evidence for God
September 20, 2015 at 6:08 am
Heh, wow. I had to stop the first video only ten minutes in; I couldn't take it anymore. It's Creationist bullshit after Creationist bullshit, including so many bad arguments (including the claim that our universe/galaxy is only 6500 years old!) that it's completely intellectually bankrupt beyond being worthy of discussion.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: With Science and Archaeology and Miracle's evidence for God
September 20, 2015 at 6:11 am
(September 20, 2015 at 6:05 am)houseofcantor Wrote: (September 20, 2015 at 6:01 am)robvalue Wrote: If you can define God in such a way that I can distinguish it from nothing or an unnecessary assumption, I'll accept it's not made up. I tried. You ignored me. I did? Sorry I didn't mean to.
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RE: With Science and Archaeology and Miracle's evidence for God
September 20, 2015 at 6:11 am
(September 20, 2015 at 6:01 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (September 20, 2015 at 5:55 am)TheThinkingCatholic Wrote: From here I pick up another question.
Is God made up?
Is Religion degrading society?
Did you miss the part I just stated, right after your blue font?
How can I have a guilty conscience about not following the commands of a being whose entire persona and whose commands I find morally repugnant. They are morally beneath the dignity of reasoning, educated, and decent human beings. Your God is not just made up, he is a monster created by a barbaric people.
You have already demonstrated that you believe Hell is the destination for those who don't believe your Bronze Age fable. This alone is sufficient reason for me to reject your God as a barbaric monster. To posit that it is not enough to just let me die like every other mammal on the planet, but that I must be tortured for all eternity for my disobedience, places your deity into the moral category of a rapist, demanding submissive obedience under threat of the worst type of violence I could even conceive to describe. I have calculated the question your asking from this 2 paragraphs?
Why can't I accept God's commands?
Is God evil?
Why does God send a person to hell?
Is God demanding submission of me?
Why is hell eternal?
Am I just like any other animal?
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RE: With Science and Archaeology and Miracle's evidence for God
September 20, 2015 at 6:12 am
(September 20, 2015 at 6:08 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Heh, wow. I had to stop the first video only ten minutes in; I couldn't take it anymore. It's Creationist bullshit after Creationist bullshit, including so many bad arguments (including the claim that our universe/galaxy is only 6500 years old!) that it's completely intellectually bankrupt beyond being worthy of discussion.
Well, excuse me. But if you actually watch that shit he posted, my sympathy is very limited. What did you expect a person like that to post? Real evidence?
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RE: With Science and Archaeology and Miracle's evidence for God
September 20, 2015 at 6:17 am
(September 20, 2015 at 6:11 am)TheThinkingCatholic Wrote: (September 20, 2015 at 6:01 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Did you miss the part I just stated, right after your blue font?
How can I have a guilty conscience about not following the commands of a being whose entire persona and whose commands I find morally repugnant. They are morally beneath the dignity of reasoning, educated, and decent human beings. Your God is not just made up, he is a monster created by a barbaric people.
You have already demonstrated that you believe Hell is the destination for those who don't believe your Bronze Age fable. This alone is sufficient reason for me to reject your God as a barbaric monster. To posit that it is not enough to just let me die like every other mammal on the planet, but that I must be tortured for all eternity for my disobedience, places your deity into the moral category of a rapist, demanding submissive obedience under threat of the worst type of violence I could even conceive to describe. I have calculated the question your asking from this 2 paragraphs?
Why can't I accept God's commands?
Is God evil?
Why does God send a person to hell?
Is God demanding submission of me?
Why is hell eternal?
Am I just like any other animal?
I don't know how I can be any more clear. I'm going to put "God" in quotation marks, here, to indicate that when I am speaking of this being, I am speaking of it as the product of human imaginations, specifically the priests of the Hebrews.
1) "God's" commands are counter to my own sense of morality, both barbaric and immoral.
2) Yes. Clearly, though "God" is no more evil than the evil men who invented him.
3) Because "God" is morally indistinguishable from a rapist who says "Do what I want or die".
4) Because "God" is morally indistinguishable from a rapist who says "Do what I want or die".
5) Um, because you made it up that way, being scarier than "just tortured for a few years"?
6) Yes, except that I am more intelligent, and we have evolved as tribal, social animals with a sense of empathy for our in-group.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: With Science and Archaeology and Miracle's evidence for God
September 20, 2015 at 6:18 am
Hey, shouldn't you be at mass or something, chest pounding your beliefs?
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RE: With Science and Archaeology and Miracle's evidence for God
September 20, 2015 at 6:19 am
(September 20, 2015 at 6:08 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Heh, wow. I had to stop the first video only ten minutes in; I couldn't take it anymore. It's Creationist bullshit after Creationist bullshit, including so many bad arguments (including the claim that our universe/galaxy is only 6500 years old!) that it's completely intellectually bankrupt beyond being worthy of discussion.
Ok your assuming here that,the creationist argument is Invalid simply because it's creationism.
From here I will take question.
How old is the earth?
Can Creationists Be “Real” Scientists?
And remember you asked all these question's so you,must be patient enough for me to answer them.
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