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One Agnostic's View of the New Atheists
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 (September 25, 2015 at 8:53 pm)Iroscato Wrote: You know what I'd love? If Randy started one thread - one single, glorious thread - where he actually puts forward a point or an argument in his own words, and continued the debate by thinking for himself. I'd like that. That would be nice. He's catholic. He is not allowed to think for himself. 
Well, Hitchens is a damned good writer.
Other than that, these guys weren't an influence on my atheism at all, because I lost my faith, at age 14, long before I had ever heard of them.  RE: One Agnostic's View of the New Atheists
September 25, 2015 at 9:30 pm
(This post was last modified: September 25, 2015 at 9:33 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
YOu were probably far too busy trying not to get killed. And it isn't as if there is any fucking god to help out anyway.
Why are we supposed to care about what an agnostic thinks about new atheists? There's a ton of copypasta but no thesis on display.
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
 (September 25, 2015 at 9:39 pm)Minimalist Wrote: YOu were probably far too busy trying not to get killed. And it isn't as if there is any fucking god to help out anyway. Yeah, when you're making an approach to a tiny, rough dirt road between two patches of rubble-filled, hilly fields, with your engine spraying oil all over the windshield and making awful noises, flying the plane by sticking your head partly out the side window, and wondering if you're going to live through the next two minutes of your life, you really don't pause to think, "You know, I really should reassess my position on the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth". I think I did say "Jesus" a couple of times while I was sliding at 140mph... but that's mostly because my leather had heated up by the friction (2nd degree burns across my butt/thigh and a giant bruise all down my hip/leg) and it hurt like crazy... was just the first curse word that sprang to mind. And the fourth. And I think the seventh.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.   (September 25, 2015 at 10:44 pm)Easy Guns Wrote:(September 25, 2015 at 9:06 pm)Iroscato Wrote: I am physically unable to since The Ascension, so no worries there. I believe we are barking up different trees. You mortals and your constant need for electronic stimuli... (September 25, 2015 at 10:46 pm)Iroscato Wrote:(September 25, 2015 at 10:44 pm)Easy Guns Wrote: I found that show on Netflix. When I finished I was absolutely hooked. Actually my stimuli is quite analog at the moment (I.e. Vodka), so that must be why I got confused  . The show I'm thinking of is called just 'Ascension'.
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