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Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am
To truly be an atheist is to claim that there in no God. But that very claim is to pose an absolute negation about a supreme being. It would be extremely hard to prove such an absolute negation. Even if you could look throughout the entire universe, which you cannot, and found no God, that still would not prove that God does not exist. It would at best prove that God could not be seen.
Because of this, it is impossible to absolutely claim that there is no God. A person could be fairly convinced of their position, but they could not prove it. In essence they would logically have to be an agnostic, with a personal belief that to the best of their knowledge, there is no God. But then logically they are agnostic. They really do not know.
Since logically they are agnostic, they must allow for the possibility that God may exist, if they are to be true to a logical position. They certainly can keep their personal belief of no God, unless they could be shown that God does exist. But an honest agnostic must allow for the possibility that God exists.
Those that claim that they will always be an atheist, may be showing that it is not logical to absolutely claim that there is no God, but a bias to not even consider the evidence.
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 6:50 am
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(September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: To truly be an atheist is to claim that there in no God. But that very claim is to pose an absolute negation about a supreme being. It would be extremely hard to prove such an absolute negation. Even if you could look throughout the entire universe, which you cannot, and found no God, that still would not prove that God does not exist. It would at best prove that God could not be seen.
Because of this, it is impossible to absolutely claim that there is no God. A person could be fairly convinced of their position, but they could not prove it. In essence they would logically have to be an agnostic, with a personal belief that to the best of their knowledge, there is no God. But then logically they are agnostic. They really do not know.
Since logically they are agnostic, they must allow for the possibility that God may exist, if they are to be true to a logical position. They certainly can keep their personal belief of no God, unless they could be shown that God does exist. But an honest agnostic must allow for the possibility that God exists.
Those that claim that they will always be an atheist, may be showing that it is not logical to absolutely claim that there is no God, but a bias to not even consider the evidence.
Hence why I identify as agnostic atheist. Anybody that claims to hold absolute proof about the non-existence of god is making just as hefty a claim as the gnostic theist.
I still think that gods are merely products of human invention since this is the conclusion the evidence presented to me has led me to, and therefore I lack a belief in deities. I'm not making an absolute truth claim on that though.
Oh and one more technicality, to truly be an atheist means to lack a belief in god, not to claim there is none. To lack a belief in one covers both agnostic atheism and strong atheism. To specifically claim that none exist as an absolute truth value statement only covers strong atheism.
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 6:58 am
(September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: To truly be an atheist is to claim that there in no God. Not true, all you have to do to be an atheist is disbelieve
(September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Because of this, it is impossible to absolutely claim that there is no God. Correct, in the same way that it is impossible to absolutely claim that there his a god
(September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: A person could be fairly convinced of their position, but they could not prove it. In essence they would logically have to be an agnostic, with a personal belief that to the best of their knowledge, there is no God. But then logically they are agnostic. They really do not know. You know you can be both right, the terms aren't mutually exclusive
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 6:59 am
This thread is a joke, yeah? I can't hardly wait for the punchline.
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 7:01 am
I'm not calling myself an agnostic when the fact is most of the gods people have taken the time to define and describe in detail do not exist. There isn't even a good definition of god that would make god's existence plausible.
But if you go by what you said then all theists should be agnostic as well.
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 7:10 am
(September 30, 2013 at 7:01 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I'm not calling myself an agnostic when the fact is most of the gods people have taken the time to define and describe in detail do not exist
How do you know that? 
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 7:20 am
(September 30, 2013 at 7:10 am)Tartarus Sauce Wrote: (September 30, 2013 at 7:01 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I'm not calling myself an agnostic when the fact is most of the gods people have taken the time to define and describe in detail do not exist
How do you know that?
Cos the descriptions/definitions contradict. At least those I've heard of. Is there a coherent definition of god?
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 7:33 am
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am
(This post was last modified: September 30, 2013 at 7:38 am by SavedByGraceThruFaith.)
(September 30, 2013 at 6:58 am)Rationalman Wrote: (September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: To truly be an atheist is to claim that there in no God. Not true, all you have to do to be an atheist is disbelieve
(September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Because of this, it is impossible to absolutely claim that there is no God. Correct, in the same way that it is impossible to absolutely claim that there his a god
(September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: A person could be fairly convinced of their position, but they could not prove it. In essence they would logically have to be an agnostic, with a personal belief that to the best of their knowledge, there is no God. But then logically they are agnostic. They really do not know. You know you can be both right, the terms aren't mutually exclusive
To believe that God exists does not require an absolute negation at all. It just needs positive evidence that God exists. So there is no comparison.
I believe the Holy Bible is true.
It claims to be from God Almighty.
It proves itself in many ways.
The atheists does not have a book which claims to be from their supreme being. It would say "I am God I do not exist"
The Holy Bible is a record of historical events. These events show that God exist.
The atheist has no record of the no God''s actions.
The saved have the witness of the Holy Spirit in them.
The atheists has the witness of the nobody.
The existence of the universe is a very strong proof of the existence of its Creator.
The atheist must try to explain it away.
All attempts have failed.
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 7:41 am
Bam! Punchline!
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