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RE: Richard Dawkins and the God of the Old Testament
September 27, 2015 at 12:20 pm
Quote:“What has theology ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When has theology ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not obvious? I have listened to theologians, read them, debated against them. I have never heard any of them ever say anything of the smallest use, anything that was not either platitudinously obvious or downright false. If all the achievements of scientists were wiped out tomorrow, there would be no doctors but witch doctors, no transport faster than horses, no computers, no printed books, no agriculture beyond subsistence peasant farming. If all the achievements of theologians were wiped out tomorrow, would anyone notice the smallest difference? Even the bad achievements of scientists, the bombs, and sonar-guided whaling vessels work! The achievements of theologians don’t do anything, don’t affect anything, don’t mean anything. What makes anyone think that ‘theology’ is a subject at all?
-Richard Dawkins
Dawkins tells the theology crowd that they are utterly fucking worthless and they rant and scream "yes, we are" but they never produce a single fact to sustain their argument.
How much better the world would be without any of the scumbags.
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RE: Richard Dawkins and the God of the Old Testament
September 27, 2015 at 12:20 pm
(September 27, 2015 at 12:18 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: 20 replies in the first hour.
Only one half-ass hearted attempt to respond to the argument.
You guys really aren't as good at this as you think you are...
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Conceited twat.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Richard Dawkins and the God of the Old Testament
September 27, 2015 at 12:21 pm
Randy thinks his arguments...which are not his...are worth debating. It think we have now discovered The Randy Delusion.
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RE: Richard Dawkins and the God of the Old Testament
September 27, 2015 at 12:32 pm
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2015 at 12:33 pm by paulpablo.)
(September 27, 2015 at 12:09 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (September 27, 2015 at 12:00 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I'm bored so I'll reply.
Natural selection isn't a character, isn't fictional, isn't a conscious being so therefore can't be jealous, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak, blood thirsty or a control freak or any of the other things mentioned about the god of the old testament.
The rest of the article is stupid and boring because it's repeating the same old bullshit that Christians invented morals, without Christianity no one has any sense of good or bad (bullshit) so no one should be annoyed about murderers or other criminals unless an invisible man says it is evil (bullshit).
The article says what would evolution look like if we tried to make a god out of it? That's just some kind of primitive bullshit question, why make a god out of a scientific theory. It's like saying we shouldn't believe in gravity because the god of gravity is deceptively attractive and can be deadly.
Wiker's point is that natural selection is no less callously indifferent to the sufferings of the weak than is the "God of the OT" as He is commonly misrepresented by atheists.
So, after dismissing the existence of God, you're actually no better off than you were before.
No, he's saying that if you turn natural selection into a conscious being, then natural selection is no less callously indifferent to the suffering of the weak.
Natural selection isn't a conscious being, it's a scientific theory.
Natural selection put very very simply is just a statement that some animals die and go extinct, some animals reproduce, survive and don't go extinct. God consciously drowns families of people, orders genocide, kills people on a whim.
It's as stupid as turning the theory of gravity into a conscious being and then saying don't believe gravity exists because even though it is attractive it's a heartless killer causing people to fall to their deaths, just like some female serial killers.
As for being better off it depends if that person is better off with bullshit or not. Some people are better off with it, I would argue humanity is better off without bullshit.
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RE: Richard Dawkins and the God of the Old Testament
September 27, 2015 at 12:46 pm
Everything quoted in the OP is a strawman mixed with the tired and idiotic "Atheists don't believe in god; rage against him anyway" meme. Guy is an idiot.
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RE: Richard Dawkins and the God of the Old Testament
September 27, 2015 at 12:50 pm
So that's why Randy's all over it like scabies!
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Richard Dawkins and the God of the Old Testament
September 27, 2015 at 12:52 pm
Incidentally and completely unrelated: I'm knocking my pan out here for some kind of Hall recognition. Just putting that out there for no reason whatsoever.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Richard Dawkins and the God of the Old Testament
September 27, 2015 at 1:20 pm
Theists are such insecure little shits. They simply cannot function without the idea that there is some invisble sky-daddy watching over them. Grow up, people. We are all alone and the universe does not give a fuck about us because it has no fucks to give.
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RE: Richard Dawkins and the God of the Old Testament
September 27, 2015 at 1:23 pm
(September 27, 2015 at 12:18 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: 20 replies in the first hour.
Only one half-ass hearted attempt to respond to the argument.
You guys really aren't as good at this as you think you are...
Quick, somebody get out the POV gun.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Richard Dawkins and the God of the Old Testament
September 27, 2015 at 1:32 pm
Sorry, Randy, but if I were forced to choose between adhering to Dawkins' moral standards or the standards set in the Old Testament, I'd choose Dawkins' any day (even though I'm not really a fan of Dawkins).
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