China declared cyber-war on US two years ago, says John McAfee

[mralstoner]

Yes, yes...and North Korea is the greatest military threat ever known, and the New World Order is coming, and the sky is falling, blah blah fuckedy blah.

North Korea and the NWO are not great threats, compared to China, IMO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias

The normalcy bias, or normality bias, is a mental state people enter when facing a disaster. It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster and its possible effects. This may result in situations where people fail to adequately prepare, and on a larger scale, the failure of governments to include the populace in its disaster preparations.

The assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred then it never will occur. It can result in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs. People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation.

[Anomalocaris]

Yes, yes...and North Korea is the greatest military threat ever known, and the New World Order is coming, and the sky is falling, blah blah fuckedy blah.

North Korea and the NWO are not great threats, compared to China, IMO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias

The normalcy bias, or normality bias, is a mental state people enter when facing a disaster. It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster and its possible effects. This may result in situations where people fail to adequately prepare, and on a larger scale, the failure of governments to include the populace in its disaster preparations.

The assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred then it never will occur. It can result in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs. People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation.

You realize your lamentable mental, in so much as you have what might forcibly be passed off as a mind, state could never be describe by any concept that contain the word "normal" in its description, right?

[Thumpalumpacus]

I don't for a moment doubt that China has been bending its resources to penetrating our information base. It would be a natural state of affairs for any government to seek any possible advantage over any potential enemy, and America is not exempt, either as a perpetrator or a victim.

[mralstoner]

I don't for a moment doubt that China has been bending its resources to penetrating our information base. It would be a natural state of affairs for any government to seek any possible advantage over any potential enemy, and America is not exempt, either as a perpetrator or a victim.

That's true, to some degree. Everyone does cyber espionage. But China's state-backed assault on US companies, stealing their secrets, doesn't qualify as moral equivalence, it qualifies as economic warfare.

And the burning question follows: is this economic warfare an isolated strategy, or is it a sign that China is operating from the playbook Unrestricted Warfare?

Unrestricted Warfare is a book written by two Chinese colonels, which is essentially an updated version of Sun Tzu's The Art Of War, which is a strategy to attack a rival through every means possible, not just military force. It's full spectrum asymmetric warfare with every piece of civilian infrastructure a target.

The point is: China shows all the signs of preparing to take America down, so why would we continue treating it like just another trade partner? It's time for sanctions. At the very least, we should be balancing trade across other nations, to make them rich, to balance the economic and military threat of China.

[houseofcantor]

I don't for a moment doubt that China has been bending its resources to penetrating our information base. It would be a natural state of affairs for any government to seek any possible advantage over any potential enemy, and America is not exempt, either as a perpetrator or a victim.

That's true, to some degree. Everyone does cyber espionage. But China's state-backed assault on US companies, stealing their secrets, doesn't qualify as moral equivalence, it qualifies as economic warfare.

And the burning question follows: is this economic warfare an isolated strategy, or is it a sign that China is operating from the playbook Unrestricted Warfare?

Unrestricted Warfare is a book written by two Chinese colonels, which is essentially an updated version of Sun Tzu's The Art Of War, which is a strategy to attack a rival through every means possible, not just military force. It's full spectrum asymmetric warfare with every piece of civilian infrastructure a target.

The point is: China shows all the signs of preparing to take America down, so why would we continue treating it like just another trade partner? It's time for sanctions. At the very least, we should be balancing trade across other nations, to make them rich, to balance the economic and military threat of China.

That's tin-foil hat stuff, man. There's several large reasons why no one fucks with the US; here's one...

market capitalization

[mralstoner]

That's tin-foil hat stuff, man. There's several large reasons why no one fucks with the US; here's one...
market capitalization

Care to explain how this translates into "no one fucks with the US"?

Market capitalization, if I understand correctly, is the total value of a company's shares.

So, US companies are good at raising investment capital. So therefore..... what?

The important factor is whether your economy is strong enough to produce more, or better, or smarter, weapons than your rival. And China seems to be producing new weapons at a faster speed than America. China gets way more bang for its buck because of cheap labour prices and few regulations.

I've heard some estimates say that, when you take into account the cheaper production costs, China is spending relatively more on its military than America. So, I don't see your point about market capitalisation.

[Edwardo Piet]

You do realize that McAfee is a raving lunatic, yes?

McAfee Anti-virus was always a shit and annoying one too.

[mralstoner]

I don't for a moment doubt that China has been bending its resources to penetrating our information base. It would be a natural state of affairs for any government to seek any possible advantage over any potential enemy, and America is not exempt, either as a perpetrator or a victim.

Is this an example of China's moral equivalence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mkiTkMVemM

It's behaviour like this that made the Philippines leader liken China to Nazi Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a83-GKJYGI

At the end of the day, it comes down to trust. Do you feel safe in a world/region ruled by China, or ruled by America and international law? It's a no brainer, to me.

What I can't fathom is how people will die in a ditch to prevent ultra-nationalists from rising in their own Western countries, but when goose-stepping ultra-nationalists are poised to rule Asia (and the world), those same liberals shrug "meh" and cite moral equivalence. The double standards are breathtaking and dangerous.

[abaris]

Stoner business as usual.

[mralstoner]

When world power falls into the hands of those who can only describe foreign relations with animal metaphors, and couch their theft of islands in "peaceful" and "defensive" terms, do you feel safe?

It's an entire foreign policy built on fear, intimidation, brute force and propaganda to demonise dissenters. The Communist Party is starting to control the world the same way it controls the Chinese people, with fear and intimidation.

http://twitter.com/mikepillsbury/status/...7015348225

“Becoming the strongest nation in the world is China’s goal in the 21st century,” the colonel wrote...

SPEAKING to a reporter in a restaurant in central Beijing one afternoon, Colonel Liu laid out his vision of the biggest geopolitical rivalry of this century.

“There are flames around Asia, and every place could be a battlefield in the future,” he said. “That’s all caused by the invisible hand of the United States. Without the black hand of the U.S., Asia would be more peaceful and stable.”

“Washington’s policy in Asia is a ‘crab’ policy,” he added. “There’s a big bamboo cage, and the U.S. wants all the countries to bite each other like crabs inside the cage.” ...

“China was once called the sleeping lion in the East, but now we have been awakened, and Xi Jinping is the leading lion of the lion packs, who dare to fight anytime,” the colonel said...

On China’s military buildup in the contested South China Sea, which includes creating artificial islands: “China builds the airstrips to safeguard the integrity of our sovereign interests, and we have to be able to deter those nations who illegally occupy Chinese territories. We have to deter them from further escalating the situation.”