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RE: China declared cyber-war on US two years ago, says John McAfee
October 4, 2015 at 12:54 am
Sorry stopped reading at "computer security expert John McAfee." Retard does know the Chinese use the same os as the Americans only on more primitive infrastructure right? And that he crap will never be allowed in a red hat repo?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
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RE: China declared cyber-war on US two years ago, says John McAfee
October 4, 2015 at 2:17 am
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(October 3, 2015 at 4:30 am)mralstoner Wrote: (October 3, 2015 at 2:34 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: I don't for a moment doubt that China has been bending its resources to penetrating our information base. It would be a natural state of affairs for any government to seek any possible advantage over any potential enemy, and America is not exempt, either as a perpetrator or a victim.
That's true, to some degree. Everyone does cyber espionage. But China's state-backed assault on US companies, stealing their secrets, doesn't qualify as moral equivalence, it qualifies as economic warfare.
And the burning question follows: is this economic warfare an isolated strategy, or is it a sign that China is operating from the playbook Unrestricted Warfare?
Unrestricted Warfare is a book written by two Chinese colonels, which is essentially an updated version of Sun Tzu's The Art Of War, which is a strategy to attack a rival through every means possible, not just military force. It's full spectrum asymmetric warfare with every piece of civilian infrastructure a target.
For once, we agree.
(October 3, 2015 at 2:34 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: The point is: China shows all the signs of preparing to take America down, so why would we continue treating it like just another trade partner? It's time for sanctions. At the very least, we should be balancing trade across other nations, to make them rich, to balance the economic and military threat of China.
I don't think broad sanctions would be good. Targeted sanctions might work, alongside pressure to continue devaluing the yuan, could help send a message. But broad sanctions at the stroke of a pen would likely be a bluff that we don't have the cards to back. China could play havoc by replying to such a move by calling in or curtailing loans.
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RE: China declared cyber-war on US two years ago, says John McAfee
October 4, 2015 at 2:21 am
(October 3, 2015 at 7:31 pm)mralstoner Wrote: What I can't fathom is how people will die in a ditch to prevent ultra-nationalists from rising in their own Western countries, but when goose-stepping ultra-nationalists are poised to rule Asia (and the world), those same liberals shrug "meh" and cite moral equivalence. The double standards are breathtaking and dangerous.
I'm unsure why you think I'm a liberal, but please, do continue to toss names.
Additionally, I didn't cite "moral equivalence". I just think that China too is Clausewitzian in seeing war as an extension of political and economic struggle. The corollary to that, of course, is that political and economic struggle is an extension of warfare.
I certainly don't shrug and say "meh" ... where you got that from, I can't say, but certainly not from an accurate reading of my post.
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RE: China declared cyber-war on US two years ago, says John McAfee
October 4, 2015 at 10:42 pm
(October 1, 2015 at 9:43 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Wiki states that he's running for president in 2016 under a new party, the Cyber Party.
I thought that was a joke, but it's true.
https://twitter.com/mrbcyber/status/650374816600424449
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RE: China declared cyber-war on US two years ago, says John McAfee
October 4, 2015 at 10:56 pm
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(October 4, 2015 at 2:21 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: I'm unsure why you think I'm a liberal, but please, do continue to toss names.
Additionally, I didn't cite "moral equivalence". I just think that China too is Clausewitzian in seeing war as an extension of political and economic struggle. The corollary to that, of course, is that political and economic struggle is an extension of warfare.
I certainly don't shrug and say "meh" ... where you got that from, I can't say, but certainly not from an accurate reading of my post.
Yeah, I tend to argue against stereotypes, in this case the appeasing moral-equivalent panda-huggers. If that's not you, then no problem.
Two good writers about China are Steven Mosher (who argues that war, fascism/totalitarianism, and the art of toppling hegemonic powers, are in China's DNA) and Michael Pillsbury (who demonstrates the current signs of such DNA, from the time of Mao up until now).
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