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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 12:22 am
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(October 8, 2015 at 12:07 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 8, 2015 at 12:00 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: A choice between service to someone who is the moral equivalent of a rapist, demanding that I submit to him at pain of torture?
Yeah, I'll take the torture and refuse to serve such a wicked being as this God you describe.
Can you explain the rapist accusation please?
God isn't forcing you to do anything you don't wanna do
and sure, but that's a little disturbing how you prefer torture :S
Certainly.
God is saying, essentially: "I love you more than you can imagine. I want you to love me, too. You have free will to choose to accept my love and love me in return, or to reject my offer. Oh, and if you reject my offer I'm going to drop you into a pit of burning sulfur."
That is a rapist and psychopath.
I don't prefer torture; I prefer defiance to submission in the face of a violent threat.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 12:43 am
Could it be that Christians are really just victims of Stockholm syndrome?
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 12:46 am
Quote: God is saying, essentially: "I love you more than you can imagine. I want you to love me, too.
Fucking god is a stalker, Rock.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 12:53 am
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(October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Bible teaches that Hell is NOT separation from God
Its a place of...
flaming fire
smothering smoke
So what? I'm an immortal soul, my body - and hence my pain receptors - have already died. What the f*** do I care?
(October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: dismal darkness
Wait - what? What about all that fire, you mentioned earlier? Are you making this sh*t up as you go along?
(October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: screaming and wailing
Meh. Beats Justin f***ing Bieber and Kanye f***ing West team-up...
(October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: everlasting chains
Attached to what? Did I mention that at this point I'll be - for all intents and purposes - a ghost?
(October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: flesh-eating worms
Again - my flesh will have been left rotting on Earth. The poor f***ers gonna starve...
(October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: no rest
Rest from what? Immortal, immaterial souls don't need rest, since they don't have bodies, dumb-ass...
Is that the best/worst you've goto? Laughable 
(October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Read more at:
<SNIP>
Uhm - no. Nobody's going to do that...
Hail Satan!
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 12:57 am
(October 8, 2015 at 12:22 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 8, 2015 at 12:07 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Can you explain the rapist accusation please?
God isn't forcing you to do anything you don't wanna do
and sure, but that's a little disturbing how you prefer torture :S
Certainly.
God is saying, essentially: "I love you more than you can imagine. I want you to love me, too. You have free will to choose to accept my love and love me in return, or to reject my offer. Oh, and if you reject my offer I'm going to drop you into a pit of burning sulfur."
That is a rapist and psychopath.
I don't prefer torture; I prefer defiance to submission in the face of a violent threat.
God does not threaten us with hell, He saves us from it!
Hell is there because we sinned. It has to do with justice.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 1:00 am
(October 8, 2015 at 12:22 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 8, 2015 at 12:07 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Can you explain the rapist accusation please?
God isn't forcing you to do anything you don't wanna do
and sure, but that's a little disturbing how you prefer torture :S
Certainly.
God is saying, essentially: "I love you more than you can imagine. I want you to love me, too. You have free will to choose to accept my love and love me in return, or to reject my offer. Oh, and if you reject my offer I'm going to drop you into a pit of burning sulfur."
That is a rapist and psychopath.
I don't prefer torture; I prefer defiance to submission in the face of a violent threat.
I think you misunderstand the love God would like to have from us, to love God is to restrain from sin, to seek out His forgiveness.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 1:00 am
(October 8, 2015 at 12:53 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Bible teaches that Hell is NOT separation from God
Its a place of...
flaming fire
smothering smoke
So what? I'm an immortal soul, my body - and hence my pain receptors - have already died. What the f*** do I care?
(October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: dismal darkness
Wait - what? What about all that fire, you mentioned earlier? Are you making this sh*t up as you go along?
(October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: screaming and wailing
Meh. Beats Justin f***ing Bieber and Kanye f***ing West team-up...
(October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: everlasting chains
Attached to what? Did I mention that at this point I'll be - for all intents and purposes - a ghost?
(October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: flesh-eating worms
Again - my flesh will have been left rotting on Earth. The poor f***ers gonna starve...
(October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: no rest
Rest from what? Immortal, immaterial souls don't need rest, since they don't have bodies, dumb-ass...
Is that the best/worst you've goto? Laughable
(October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Read more at:
<SNIP>
Uhm - no. Nobody's going to do that...
Hail Satan!
Satan hates you
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 1:06 am
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What on earth is the point of this thread? Is this just threatening atheists with hell? Or describing exactly what kind of immoral monster God/Jesus is? We already knew that, which is why many of us wouldn't join Christianity even if it contained any truth at all.
I'll let Nonstamp handle this.
http://youtu.be/aUtSM2oVy_E
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 1:07 am
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(October 8, 2015 at 12:57 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: God does not threaten us with hell,
No - of course not. People who want to take our money and f*** our children without consequences threaten us with hell.
(October 8, 2015 at 12:57 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: He saves us from it!
No, he doesn't. He doesn't exist.
(October 8, 2015 at 12:57 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Hell is there because we sinned.
Speak for yourself. I haven't sinned.
(October 8, 2015 at 12:57 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: It has to do with justice.
No - it has to do with fantasies of revenge, created in order to placate weak people, being exploited and abused
by the cynical authorities.
It's a blank check for justice, that's inevitably going to bounce.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 1:08 am
(October 8, 2015 at 12:57 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: God does not threaten us with hell, He saves us from it!
Hell is there because we sinned. It has to do with justice.
Did god create hell? Or was it created by abstract justice? And is there any crime for which you think a human court would sentence a man to eternal hellfire?
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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