RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 1:54 am
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What the bible says Hell is like
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 RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 1:55 am
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2015 at 1:56 am by Homeless Nutter.)
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
 (October 8, 2015 at 1:51 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:(October 8, 2015 at 1:48 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: its not my version its what the bible teaches. [...] many of them are mistaken. I believe God preserved His word in the King James Version (KJV) bible, which is the direct English translation from the original Hebrew and greek. and the doctrine of hell is very clear in that bible. You don't have to believe me you can take what i'm saying and spit it back in my face you want idc dude. I will lose zero sleep over your beliefs. (October 8, 2015 at 1:56 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: [...] You don't have to believe me you can take what i'm saying and spit it back in my face you want[...] Thank you - that's all I needed to know. Bye-bye. 
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
 (October 8, 2015 at 1:51 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:(October 8, 2015 at 1:48 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: The gift is not free. Submission is not freedom. What are you, George Orwell? Yes. You do. You must change almost everything about yourself. I know you think that it is simply acceptance of the gift which allows the "holy spirit" to work through you and change you from within, but the result is the same. You must accept a set of rules about what is/isn't acceptable behavior (sin), and dedicate yourself to service to the master. The word for that is "submission", whether you like it or not. Why can God not simply let me into heaven as I am, an honest, decent person who simply does not think the evidence provided by the Hebrew scripture-writers is good evidence, given that it conflicts in so many astoundingly-ignorant ways with the world I observe around me? (I saw your "from a rock" comment, and as a former evolutionary biologist, it made me nearly snort tea through my nose.) Why can God not simply let me die like all the other mammals, if I have failed to meet the standards required for heaven? When you offer me a "free" gift, and the price of not accepting that gift is torture, it is not a free gift. It is a threat. It is a forcible compulsion. It is unworthy of any being that could ever deserve to be worshiped. On the other hand, it makes total sense if you're a Broze Age tribal warrior priest who thinks that genocide against the tribe in the next valley is okay, that enslaving the survivors is okay, and that women are the property of men. That is not God. That is the selfishness of humans, and I reject all concepts that derive from that basis because I am a moral person.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love. (October 8, 2015 at 1:59 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: I'm talking about salvation. God does want you to serve Him faithfully, and we should because He says it'll bring us joy and happiness, but it's absolutely not the case to submit to God in order to be saved. we are saved by grace. That's nice. Too bad it's all fantasies of bronze-age and iron-age goat-herders and it doesn't mean anything...
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.  |
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