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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 1:26 am
(October 11, 2015 at 1:22 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 11, 2015 at 12:41 am)Irrational Wrote: Daniel, Paul may have been more of a faith only guy, but James and John and even Jesus were the opposite. You need to believe and do good works for salvation.
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Justified by works, not faith alone.
well that's simply not the case. The faith that James 2 and other passages of the like are referring to is not justification before God, but before men. dead faith implies that faith is there. Its like saying my cat is dead, then saying I don't have a cat actually. You saying dead cat means there's a cat that exists that is dead, otherwise it would be a meaningless statement. The same is with faith. Faith can still exist, but it is dead when we don't do works. The bible talks about dead works as well. Works without faith is dead. (Hebrews 6:1)
Galatians 2: 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law [aka works], then Christ is dead in vain.
This is known as works salvation and it spits in the face of God's gospel. The good news is that no work is needed for our forgiveness (just belief on the Son) Jesus said it is finished. Thank God because if it were up to me to live a good Christian life to be saved I would fail hard. A true Christian is one who is humble and takes no credit for his salvation, rather boasts only in the work of God.
Works salvation is what James advocated. It's in a sense what Jesus in the Gospels advocated as well. Paul is just one man who had his own views about salvation.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 1:27 am
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(October 11, 2015 at 12:47 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Even if the Christian god were real (it's not, but for the sake of argument), I, for one, really have no desire to have a personal relationship with it. And I think it's hilarious that it's presented as something special or noteworthy since it apparently wants a personal relationship with everyone. Like it's some kind of selling point.
except im not selling anything to you
and that's cool how you feel that way
(October 11, 2015 at 12:46 am)Thena323 Wrote: (October 11, 2015 at 12:07 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: anyone who doesn't believe in once saved always saved thinks God is a liar. Says you.
Who are you to say that your interpretation is the correct one?
More importantly, who cares?
it aint rocket science to interpret the bible. also I care.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 1:43 am
(October 11, 2015 at 1:27 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:
(October 11, 2015 at 12:46 am)Thena323 Wrote:
it aint rocket science to interpret the bible. also I care.
Sure, it ain't rocket science. Especially if your KJV Bible has pictures.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 1:45 am
(October 11, 2015 at 1:22 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: like atheism
Atheism has a title.
What is the title in relation to your belief?
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 1:47 am
(October 11, 2015 at 1:27 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 11, 2015 at 12:47 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Even if the Christian god were real (it's not, but for the sake of argument), I, for one, really have no desire to have a personal relationship with it. And I think it's hilarious that it's presented as something special or noteworthy since it apparently wants a personal relationship with everyone. Like it's some kind of selling point.
except im not selling anything to you
and that's cool how you feel that way
(October 11, 2015 at 12:46 am)Thena323 Wrote: Says you.
Who are you to say that your interpretation is the correct one?
More importantly, who cares?
it aint rocket science to interpret the bible. also I care. About your false idol? Yes you do care. About any aspect of reality, Not so much
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 1:48 am
(October 11, 2015 at 1:45 am)Kitan Wrote: (October 11, 2015 at 1:22 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: like atheism
Atheism has a title.
What is the title in relation to your belief?
title = valid belief
good logic sir
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 2:24 am
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(October 11, 2015 at 1:48 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 11, 2015 at 1:45 am)Kitan Wrote: Atheism has a title.
What is the title in relation to your belief?
title = valid belief
good logic sir
I have the title Mr, Ergo by your logic I believe in Misterism. At my job my title is Supervisor, ergo by your logic I believe in Supervisorism. FSM have pity on you.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 2:25 am
You know what? Hell sounds like a piece of cake.
Bring it on.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 9:40 am
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(October 11, 2015 at 1:48 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 11, 2015 at 1:45 am)Kitan Wrote: Atheism has a title.
What is the title in relation to your belief?
title = valid belief
good logic sir
Actually no it doesn't your bible and most religions for that matter have no historical or archeological proof for that matter so no it's not a valid belief.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 9:42 am
There is nothing in any standard definition of the word "title" that comes anywhere within a thousand lightyears of "valid belief".
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