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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 1:30 pm
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(October 10, 2015 at 1:29 pm)Spooky Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 1:23 pm)Randys brother Wrote: Yes
Heh, so I'm the dumbest motherfucker you've ever met then?
Just don't know why you have to insult yourself. 
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 1:32 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 1:30 pm)Randys brother Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 1:29 pm)Spooky Wrote: Heh, so I'm the dumbest motherfucker you've ever met then?
Just don't know why you have to insult yourself.
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 1:35 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 1:29 pm)Randys brother Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 1:29 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Randy Carson?
Brother  It's even worse when the whole family is insane. If Jesus was here he could cure you by sending your demons into some pigs.
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 1:40 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 1:00 pm)Randys brother Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 12:58 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: fiat: a decree. A statement such as "let it be done" by gawd causes a thing to be done.
That means a belief that you hold simply because "gawd said it, therefore I believe it" without any scientific proof to back up the statement. Ergo, faith: the act of saying you know something that you don't know.
Since am not an idiot,I believe through validity.
Validity - scientifically provable, measurable, re-testable fact. Validity cannot be found in a book full of silly myths.
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 1:49 pm
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A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 1:59 pm
Quote:The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."
'Yea, and the wise man shouteth it from the rooftops.' Borudians 26:20
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 2:08 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 12:39 pm)Randys brother Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 10:51 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: It is you who have missed 3 very important points here.
1. This is an atheist forum. Religion is not respected here for its own sake. If your arguments cannot stand without fiat credulity, we will ridicule them. If you want your religious views to be respected then you should go to a Christian web forum.
2. God set Adam up in the first place. Why should a man who has no sense of right and wrong be punished? Even after Adam's so-called fall, we were doing fine, working together peacefully at the tower of Babel. Your god saw this and was so intimidated by what we might accomplish that he confused our language. Jesus' death is like a doctor who makes you sick only so you can feel grateful when he makes you well.
3. Based on what the Bible itself says, we can only conclude that the god Christians have created hates humanity and even created us for the specific purpose that he needed something to hate. Example?
God doesn't do things out of love or justice. As one poster called him, that "draconian psychopath" does things because he has the power and no one can stop him. Let's bring down the argument.
Quote:1. This is an atheist forum. Religion is not respected here for its own sake. If your arguments cannot stand without fiat credulity, we will ridicule them. If you want your religious views to be respected then you should go to a Christian web forum.
The part is true,because this place is anti-religious ,the blue bit is were you go wrong one can pretend to ridicule them even if they are true.
If you want your religious views to be respected then you should go to a Christian web forum.(True) but his here to spread the word,his not looking for any respect he doesn't care if someone here does not respect it,any way God has given each one free will.
Quote:2. God set Adam up in the first place. Why should a man who has no sense of right and wrong be punished? Even after Adam's so-called fall, we were doing fine, working together peacefully at the tower of Babel. Your god saw this and was so intimidated by what we might accomplish that he confused our language. Jesus' death is like a doctor who makes you sick only so you can feel grateful when he makes you well.
The answer is simple—we are without excuse since we sin too (Romans 3:23; 5:12), and we all deserve death before a perfect Holy God. To assume Adam’s descendants are innocent is a false assumption. Due to the sin nature received from Adam, death is coming for all since all have sinned (Romans 3:23).They were working together peacefully,but earlier on they dis-obeyed God's word to spread out,But man resisted and rebelled against that commandment: in Gen. 11:4, it says,"Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make a name(for ourselves) lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth." False Jesus did not make anyone sick.
Quote:3. Based on what the Bible itself says, we can only conclude that the god Christians have created hates humanity and even created us for the specific purpose that he needed something to hate. Example?
Romans 8: 21 Wrote:Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Incorrect verse
Romans 8:21 says
that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.Romans 8:21
Thats Romans 9:21
Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?
Here it isn't saying anything that God created us to hate,but just showing that he has every right over us Your efforts to “bring down” my arguments failed miserably.
You say he/she/it cares not for respect, yet...
”sinnerdaniel” Wrote:i think you should show some respect regardless if you agree with me or not. I don’t usually ask for something I don’t care about, but I guess you Christians have your own reasons.
Do why did Adam sin? He did what he was created to do. If we sin because we have a sin nature then Adam must have been created with such. Since it was god who set us up to sin and Jesus is god then yes, Jesus made us sick.
You are reaching for straws both when you point out that I typed an 8 instead of a 9 and when you quote the New American standard instead of the KJV. Paul’s whole argument supports mine for he is saying we are nothing more to god than pots to a potter who does what ever he wants. God does not respect us as human beings. I should say the Church does not respect us.
Maybe you should quit while you're behind.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 2:11 pm
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 2:11 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 1:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Quote:The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."
'Yea, and the wise man shouteth it from the rooftops.' Borudians 26:20
Boru Biblical doctrine that doesn't include the Book of Borudians is flawed.
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 2:14 pm
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(October 10, 2015 at 2:11 pm)Thena323 Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 1:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 'Yea, and the wise man shouteth it from the rooftops.' Borudians 26:20
Boru Biblical doctrine that doesn't include the Book of Borudians is flawed. The Book of Borudians is a fraud. 
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