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(October 10, 2015 at 1:00 pm)Randys brother Wrote:
(October 10, 2015 at 12:58 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: fiat: a decree. A statement such as "let it be done" by gawd causes a thing to be done.
That means a belief that you hold simply because "gawd said it, therefore I believe it" without any scientific proof to back up the statement. Ergo, faith: the act of saying you know something that you don't know.
Since am not an idiot,I believe through validity.
You obviously have a standard for what constitutes validity to which we poor ignorant atheists are not privy. How can we hope to fathom your opaque erudition?
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
October 10, 2015 at 2:33 pm (This post was last modified: October 10, 2015 at 2:40 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
(October 10, 2015 at 2:11 pm)Randys brother Wrote: Although Finkelstein is not as extreme as the minimalists,he is often guiltyof using the same unwarranted skepticism when reading the Bible. In the interview with Shanks, he says that he believes that he is “in the center” (p. 48) and is “more critical” (in the sense of reading the Bible with a greater level of scrutiny and discernment, p. 51) without venturing into pure minimalism, but denies that the history of major biblical events occurred as they are presented in the pages of Scripture.
Finkelstein is highly critical of those who take the Bible at face value. He says, “I do think we are in a process of liberation from an antiquated reading of the Biblical text… [Some archaeologists] still interpret the Bible very literally…. We tend to give it a more sophisticated reading. This is not to say that the Bible has no history. It means that we need to look at the Biblical material more carefully, in a more sophisticated way (p. 58).
You apparently didn't listen to a word I said. All your article does is criticize Finkelstein for being a skeptic, and implies that he's a Minimalist even though he is not, says he is not, and disagrees with the Minimalists on numerous accounts. The only serious scholar quoted in your referenced article is Kenneth Kitchen, an Evangelical Christian and Biblical Literalist. That's exactly the opposite of what I meant when I said that you need to look to sources outside your original frame of reference.
You also clearly didn't watch Dr. Finkelstein's video, in which he explains several of the problems with the Tel Dan find, of which the author is apparently unaware, as referenced by the article you cited.
Edit to Add: Seriously, in reference to a guy who lives and works every day in the Holy Land, you referenced these guys:
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
(October 10, 2015 at 1:00 pm)Randys brother Wrote:
(October 10, 2015 at 12:58 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: fiat: a decree. A statement such as "let it be done" by gawd causes a thing to be done.
That means a belief that you hold simply because "gawd said it, therefore I believe it" without any scientific proof to back up the statement. Ergo, faith: the act of saying you know something that you don't know.
Since am not an idiot,I believe through validity.
You obviously have a standard for validity to which we poor, ignorant atheists are not privy. How can we hope to fathom your opaque erudition?
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
(October 10, 2015 at 2:20 pm)Randys brother Wrote:
(October 10, 2015 at 2:18 pm)Thena323 Wrote: It's in my Bible. I'm reading from it right now.
Maybe you're reading Scripture from a different translation.
New Testament
The Gospels : Matthew, Mark, Luke, John
Historical book : Acts
Pauline Epistles : Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Hebrews
General Epistles : James, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John, Jude
Apocalypse : Revelation, aka The Apocalypse of St. John
True. Those are the official books of the Bible that you utilize and happen to be familiar with.
You do realize that are a multitude of translations, though? Just because you're not familiar with it, doesn't mean it isn't so.
Borudians is in the Occido Lumen translation...very ancient. More importantly, NOT flawed.
October 10, 2015 at 2:39 pm (This post was last modified: October 10, 2015 at 2:40 pm by Aroura.)
(October 10, 2015 at 2:20 pm)Randys brother Wrote:
(October 10, 2015 at 2:18 pm)Thena323 Wrote: It's in my Bible. I'm reading from it right now.
Maybe you're reading Scripture from a different translation.
(October 10, 2015 at 1:07 pm)Kitan Wrote: Actually, he was correct with the usage of through.
Oh damn! Randy kudos this statement. No wonder god got intimidated over Babel. If he can do no better than to send idiots like Randy to represent him, he better not let us up there. Tear the place up.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.