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Frank Discussion on Hate
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RE: Frank Discussion on Hate
guilt would be a great other thread.. but we'll stick to hate for now.. So fogiveness is the key to purging hate is what you're saying?
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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(May 26, 2010 at 9:16 am)tackattack Wrote: guilt would be a great other thread.. but we'll stick to hate for now.. So forgiveness is the key to purging hate is what you're saying?

To overcome "hatred" towards a person is to find that place where they are a 'no thing',

forgiveness has bugger all to do with it IMHO.

Guilt is just a manipulating tool and is another 'no thing' doesn't work with me.

Hatred is and (like any emotion) can be used as a tool...

Unfortunately it takes a rare individual who can see that and who uses their emotions as a benefit to a particular desired outcome sans the destruction.

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#23
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Harboring hate in your mind is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die.
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Ok KichigaiNeko , so what you're saying is that you need to remove someone from your immediate subjective perspective of your reality to acomplish ridding yourself of the emotional burden of hate?
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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(May 20, 2010 at 9:29 am)Eilonnwy Wrote:
(May 20, 2010 at 9:23 am)Watson Wrote: Hate is hating another person because of all of their flaws.

That is a rather pithy, and ultimately too simplistic view of hate.

By what "flaws" does a bigot hate in a black person? Is skin color a flaw?

Not to imply that I agree with Watson... but as to 'is <black> skin color a flaw <to a person that doesn't like black skin>?: yes. Sleepy
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(May 26, 2010 at 6:16 pm)Saerules Wrote: Not to imply that I agree with Watson... but as to 'is <black> skin color a flaw <to a person that doesn't like black skin>?: yes. Sleepy

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You're just playing with the word 'flaw'. Personally disliking 'black skin' does not make that black skin a 'flaw', since that person's skin is supposed to be that color. The bigot's perspective is what's flawed. Disliking their skin color is not a valid reason to hate another person.
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(May 20, 2010 at 9:23 am)Watson Wrote: I think to understand hate, one also has to understand love. The two are virtually one and the same, yet complete opposites by their nature. Think about it:

Love is an extremely powerful attachment,
Hate is also an extremely powerful attachment.

Love and hate are weak attachments... prone to destruction from such things as betrayal. If you want a strong attachment: try rope. Sleepy

Quote:Love motivates the best actions possible in us,
Hate motivates the worst actions possible in us.

Love motivates the "worst" actions 'possible' in us... from blinding ourselves to the thing we love, to jealousy, to fixation on the one, few, or many.
Hate motivates the "best" actions 'possible' in us... from a strong will to see 'justice' done, to fuel against 'injustice', to giving people a strong sense of personality.

Quote:Love is loving another person despite all of their flaws,
Hate is hating another person because of all of their flaws.
"Love is loving"... tis hard to define words when one uses them to define themselves... Sleepy

However, i disagree with your intent by that. Love is perhaps the ficklest thing I know of... and hate can be as blind as the eyeless.

Instead of all these metaphorical definitions... let us go with the one that is applicable and intuitive: Love is an 'acute' liking... hate is an acute disliking. Wasn't that easy? :Sleepy:

Quote:and finally, hate is what happens when one spurns love away, it is the rejection of all of those good things that love brings. When you turn away love for no reason other than to turn it away, I believe it becomes a very wicked and corrupt sort of love*, one that isn't emotionally healthy at all. I.e.- hated.

*Similar to LULZ' corruption of L-O-L Big Grin

Rather... one can both love and hate at once. One might think of it as neutrality... but then one would be forgetting that the amount of love/hate one feels is not necessarily equal. One never turns away anything with no reason... even a reflex is for a reason.

Hate can be healthy... as love can be unhealthy. Hate can be good... as love can be bad. Hate can get you killed... as love can kill you. Neither are necessarily anything more than like or dislike... and 'hate'/'love' are usually intended to emphasize the appreciation/depreciation for the thing. Sleepy
(May 26, 2010 at 6:21 pm)Paul the Human Wrote:
(May 26, 2010 at 6:16 pm)Saerules Wrote: Not to imply that I agree with Watson... but as to 'is <black> skin color a flaw <to a person that doesn't like black skin>?: yes. Sleepy

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Mhm ^_^ How long was I gone? :S Surely not that long! Shock

Quote:You're just playing with the word 'flaw'. Personally disliking 'black skin' does not make that black skin a 'flaw', since that person's skin is supposed to be that color. The bigot's perspective is what's flawed. Disliking their skin color is not a valid reason to hate another person.

But the bigot is supposed to be a bigot... your perspective must be flawed! Shock

Not liking the color (of the skin) is most certainly is a valid reason to hate (if not another person) a person's skin color. It may not be the most understandable of hates... but people have killed in hate over "less". (Edit: especially as valid is really a loose term that applies even to this: All dogs are mountains, all mountains are blue, therefore all dogs are blue. That may not be sound (as neither al mountains are blue nor all dogs mountains)... but it sure is valid)
(May 26, 2010 at 6:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Paul : 1
Sae : 0

We gonna see this tally updated now? Tiger
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RE: Frank Discussion on Hate
(May 26, 2010 at 6:46 pm)Saerules Wrote: Instead of all these metaphorical definitions... let us go with the one that is applicable and intuitive: Love is an 'acute' liking... hate is an acute disliking. Wasn't that easy?

This line pretty much sums up your entire post and I completely agree. I would add that 'acute' is meant in the extreme. Hate is extreme dislike. But isn't that just the surface? Just the meaning of the word?

Racism is hatred. Rage fueled, irrational hatred. I sincerely doubt that neo-nazi skinheads are only experiencing acute dislike for black skinned people. It's more than that. It is destructive dislike taken to an obsessive level. Philosophical definitions begin to have a place in the discussion again when you look at it that way.
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Yo. Don't be downing on Yoda.
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