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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 20, 2015 at 5:02 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 3:48 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: For God to meaningfully show himself, wouldn't it have to be supernaturally for anyone to accept it? But if it is supernatural, aren't we even less likely to accept it? It's a kind of conundrum. I see this man in the room, floating off the floor, knows things about me and then shows my deceased relative to me. I either accept that this is God and he is real or I accept that I've gone barking mad. If i tell others, they would of course assume I'd gone barking mad. So if we are overly skeptical of the supernatural how could a God meaningfully reveal himself?
That's the burden people claiming the supernatural have to carry. There's no way to determine between the supernatural and some unknown natural cause. Since we know the natural exists, we have to make less assumptions to accept that it is an unknown cause.
On top of that, we know from neuroscience that the brain is highly flawed and can have severe problems parsing reality. Any experience of the supernatural needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 20, 2015 at 5:03 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 5:02 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (October 20, 2015 at 3:48 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: For God to meaningfully show himself, wouldn't it have to be supernaturally for anyone to accept it? But if it is supernatural, aren't we even less likely to accept it? It's a kind of conundrum. I see this man in the room, floating off the floor, knows things about me and then shows my deceased relative to me. I either accept that this is God and he is real or I accept that I've gone barking mad. If i tell others, they would of course assume I'd gone barking mad. So if we are overly skeptical of the supernatural how could a God meaningfully reveal himself?
That's the burden people claiming the supernatural have to carry. There's no way to determine between the supernatural and some unknown natural cause. Since we know the natural exists, we have to make less assumptions to accept that it is an unknown cause.
On top of that, we know from neuroscience that the brain is highly flawed and can have severe problems parsing reality. Any experience of the supernatural needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
That's precisely my point. So how could God meaningfully reveal himself to a non-believer with everything you just mentioned? Couldn't whatever you describe just be explained away?
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 20, 2015 at 5:11 pm
I read the bible so no i am not i'll informed  that book made me atheist.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 20, 2015 at 5:13 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 5:03 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: (October 20, 2015 at 5:02 pm)Faith No More Wrote: That's the burden people claiming the supernatural have to carry. There's no way to determine between the supernatural and some unknown natural cause. Since we know the natural exists, we have to make less assumptions to accept that it is an unknown cause.
On top of that, we know from neuroscience that the brain is highly flawed and can have severe problems parsing reality. Any experience of the supernatural needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
That's precisely my point. So how could God meaningfully reveal himself to a non-believer with everything you just mentioned? Couldn't whatever you describe just be explained away?
Well  that's the lazy way out of not proving a god exists. It's either you have proof or you don't in this case you don't and all you can say is
god only reveals himself don't you find the irony of that only god reveled himself to primitive man and not anyone in the modern era.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 20, 2015 at 5:15 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 5:13 pm)dyresand Wrote: (October 20, 2015 at 5:03 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: That's precisely my point. So how could God meaningfully reveal himself to a non-believer with everything you just mentioned? Couldn't whatever you describe just be explained away?
Well that's the lazy way out of not proving a god exists. It's either you have proof or you don't in this case you don't and all you can say is
god only reveals himself don't you find the irony of that only god reveled himself to primitive man and not anyone in the modern era.
Hardly. I'm not trying to make any proof at all. Just inquiring about those saying it shouldn't be hard for God to reveal himself. My point is, in this modern world what would it take for God to meaningfully reveal himself that the modern scientific skeptic couldn't simply explain away?
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 20, 2015 at 5:34 pm
^A good example of a thought-provoking question.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 20, 2015 at 5:40 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 5:03 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: (October 20, 2015 at 5:02 pm)Faith No More Wrote: That's the burden people claiming the supernatural have to carry. There's no way to determine between the supernatural and some unknown natural cause. Since we know the natural exists, we have to make less assumptions to accept that it is an unknown cause.
On top of that, we know from neuroscience that the brain is highly flawed and can have severe problems parsing reality. Any experience of the supernatural needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
That's precisely my point. So how could God meaningfully reveal himself to a non-believer with everything you just mentioned? Couldn't whatever you describe just be explained away?
Same as it ever was - revelation. I had one. I get to call myself prophet out of the deal. Of course I'm a flaming nutbag; I'm essentially certain it is part and parcel of the of the subscription. 
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 20, 2015 at 5:58 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 5:40 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: (October 20, 2015 at 5:03 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: That's precisely my point. So how could God meaningfully reveal himself to a non-believer with everything you just mentioned? Couldn't whatever you describe just be explained away?
Same as it ever was - revelation. I had one. I get to call myself prophet out of the deal. Of course I'm a flaming nutbag; I'm essentially certain it is part and parcel of the of the subscription.
why do you say "of course im a flaming nutbag" ? just because other people assume that you are ? its just their opinion
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 20, 2015 at 5:58 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 5:03 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: That's precisely my point. So how could God meaningfully reveal himself to a non-believer with everything you just mentioned? Couldn't whatever you describe just be explained away?
It's pretty simple really. God wouldn't just reveal himself to one individual. He'd do what he allegedly did as Jesus and actually live on Earth. Not just performing miracles though. Actually providing information that's far beyond our wildest dreams. I'd also expect him to disavow the old testament and much of the new because the information in it just doesn't add up. Nobody would doubt what they really saw, because either everyone saw it, or they're crazy and just think everyone sees it. Perhaps a world wide instant cure for all major diseases and world hunger with a wave of his hand, and then he explains just how we can travel among the stars, and answer most of the major questions science has.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 20, 2015 at 5:59 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 3:30 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: But even if you walked in to a room and a being appeared to you claiming to be God and knew things about you only you would know, would you believe in God or chalk it up to a psychotic episode? I've always been fascinated by the demand of non-believers that God let himself be known. I seriously think if any non-believer was to have an experience of a being coming to them and knowing all about them and performing a miracle in front of them, they would probably still not believe. It's what is commonly referred to as a doubting Thomas. I think the only meaningful way is to reveal himself to all people at once in the sky so people can have corroboration. But I guess that's whats described in Revelation.
That's a pretty convenient opinion insofar as it excuses you from presenting any evidence.
You can't really say how I or any other atheist would respond. This is only self-serving speculation.
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