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"The Truth About Cancer"
#21
RE: "The Truth About Cancer"
Well, I emailed my mom and pretty much just explained why this guy's a quack. Thankfully, she was grateful for the heads up and have moved on to discussion of more specific concerns she has. It went better than I expected.
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#22
RE: "The Truth About Cancer"
While I am not sure the link to cancer specifically, heavy metal poisoning is well documented to have adverse health effects and even small doses accumulates in the body over time. Fluoride is also another known toxin, but again, not sure of it's link to cancer specifically. Either one I could see having a legitimate link to cancer, though I don't care to spend the time researching further. Spinal alignment curing cancer, however, sounds like total bullshit.

BTW (to those who completely discredit any kind of medicine besides that which comes from big pharma)- modern, westernized medicine wanted to cut out a section of my bowel and stick me with an ostomy bag for the rest of my life when I was in my teens. Why? Because their pharmaceutical poisons just kept making me more sick and they really had no other option. Thankfully, I had an open enough mind to see a naturopath as a last resort and through proper supplementation, herbal remedies and dietary changes, it put my Crohns into complete remission never to flare up again. In fact, I never get sick anymore, not colds, not flus, not nothing. I haven't been to a doctor in years. Not sure how well naturopathy could work for cancer, but there are far too many people with other chronic and life threatening conditions who have benefitted to discredit the benefits of naturopathic medicine as snake oil. I think western medicine has it's place when it comes to trauma and life threatening infections, but it is definitely not the only answer nor necessarily the best solution for everything (especially chronic illness).

And I think a lot of people confuse whack job crystal healing, sage smudging hippies with legitimate naturopathic doctors (who go to 8 years of college and are recognized as medical doctors, who can prescribe drugs, order tests and refer you to other specialists if needed). Yes, there are certainly some total bullshit "natural healing" ideas out there, but as someone who personally does not have to have to face life with a shit bag taped to my stomach 24/7 thanks to naturopathic medicine, I would say it's not all crackpot new-age shit.
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#23
RE: "The Truth About Cancer"
(October 19, 2015 at 8:32 am)BlackBird Wrote:
(October 19, 2015 at 7:46 am)Aractus Wrote: Fluoride toxicity causes fluorosis - it isn't known to cause cancer, but I suppose it's a perfectly plausible hypothesis.

Sure, but paired with everything else, I highly doubt he has much credible evidence for it.

Yeah I said it's a plausible hypothesis - there's no scientific evidence to support it that I'm aware of. Same with vaccinations.

The difference between them though is that in recent years fluoridation of water has had evidence supporting the theory that fluoridation does not improve bone and teeth health, or not by a lot if it does. If you look at the Australian data by State for example (see this report) it is really difficult to say conclusively that fluoridation has a large protective effect, however most health professions do believe it offers some protection, just less than was estimated 70 years ago. And it's worth noting that we don't do public health measures just because they have a massive effect - even a small reduction in dental caries is better than no reduction. It was estimated (in the 90's) that folic acid fortification in wheat-flour used in bread-making would reduce NTDs by only 10% (and the evidence has thus far suggested that even that figure may have been ambitious). But a limited benefit is better than no benefit, and the fact that it's limited isn't a reason not to undertake the health measure.

There is an ethical issue with it (both fluoride and folic acid), because in both cases it has an upper-limit (i.e. it can be consumed in toxic amounts, which in the case of fluoride causes fluorosis which is literally tooth decay).

Anyway to get back on point, dietary supplements (especially multivitamins) that are taken without the recommendation of a doctor, dietician, or registered nutritionist, can certainly cause harm to patients (see this article) - and probably can increase the risk of cancer:

    “We are not sure why this is happening at the molecular level but evidence shows that people who take more dietary supplements than needed tend to have a higher risk of developing cancer,” explains Byers, associate director for cancer prevention and control at the CU Cancer Center.
    ...
    “When we first tested dietary supplements in animal models we found that the results were promising,” says Byers. “Eventually we were able to move on to the human populations. We studied thousands of patients for ten years who were taking dietary supplements and placebos.”
    The results were not what they expected.
    “We found that the supplements were actually not beneficial for their health. In fact, some people actually got more cancer while on the vitamins,” explains Byers.
    (Source).

So as for whether fluoride taken in excess can be carcinogenic, I would suggest that until we know otherwise we certainly should assume that it could. But that said, it's still an essential mineral for bone and teeth health. So the key is to ensure that people are getting enough, but not too much.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK

The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK


"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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#24
RE: "The Truth About Cancer"
If they have to label it "alternative" then it ain't "medicine".
Dying to live, living to die.
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#25
RE: "The Truth About Cancer"
(October 19, 2015 at 11:00 pm)Beccs Wrote: If they have to label it "alternative" then it ain't "medicine".

Not necessary - Article 24.1 of the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples:


Indigenous peoples have the right to their traditional medicines and to maintain their health practices, including the conservation of their vital medicinal plants, animals and minerals. Indigenous individuals also have the right to access, without any discrimination, to all social and health services.

The Declaration is formally endorsed by the Australian and Canadian governments, USA and NZ. Interestingly though, not by the UK or Japan.

Many traditional medical practises have never been properly studied in the scientific or clinical sense, and there are all kinds of researchers out there racing to do so now. In the interim, we can't say that traditional medicine is ineffective until there is evidence to do so.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK

The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK


"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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