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Split Brain Experiment and the Soul
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RE: Split Brain Experiment and the Soul
1- i was hoping you'd give it a go.

2- that's an excellent question: i would definitely set aside my materialist world view if an immaterial explanation was more reasonable. i'm not the flying skeptic for nothing.

3- i meant 'go back to 1'

4-
(May 27, 2010 at 11:04 pm)tackattack Wrote: Here's an abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9738100 I don't have access to their actual studies. It's pretty simple abstractly: Cool the body, use a machine to circulate blood wait for all brain responses (upper and lower) to be 0, fix the problem and then reverse. Albeit most are already experiencing brain problems prior to this stage.
the abstract doesn't refer to any value 'zero': "The use of deep hypothermic circulatory arrest as an adjunct during clipping of complex giant aneurysms shows promise as a treatment for otherwise incurable lesions." they are very precise in saying 'deep' instead of 'complete' hypothermic circulatory arrest.

(May 27, 2010 at 11:04 pm)tackattack Wrote: Regardless if there was indeed a brain death clinicaly then the identity would cease at that point from your perspective. It seems very testable, if anyone's survived actual brain death with a self-identy then the identity doesn't rest solely in the physical brain. Would that be valid?

i don't believe that if someone survives a 'brain death' they must necessarily lose their identity as long as their brain remained intact.
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#12
RE: Split Brain Experiment and the Soul
1-Ok then, identity- An abstract concept used to identify the sum of self. A creation of various inputs to mental processes of the brain. A key part of the defintion of consciousness.
before you ask for it I'll to that too.
Consciousness- An abstract concept used to explain the awareness of executive control of the mind. A combination of identity, memory, subjectivity and continuity of thought.

Have at it! Tongue

2-Ok then I'll carry up the last part of 4 here then and continue. Are you saying that the mind or consciousness solely resides in the physical entity of the brain? If so, could 2 brains be manipulated (hypothetically) to be identical? if so would those identities be the same? If the brain ceased to function entirely why wouldn't the identity cease entirely?

3-OK we'll hold on evidence of what would kill the identity until it's defined sufficiently in 1.

4- You are correct that the abstract is about circulatory arrest ... although deep circulatory arrest standstill operations are defined in medcal dctionaries as verifying that no brain activity is present. Here's some news stories http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23768436 or http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,357463,00.html I came across.
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