refuting misconceptions:1-women in Islam

[downbeatplumb]

it seems that the countries that Islam is strongest in are the most oppressive to women.

Is this a coincidence? or is it something about Islam that makes the mistreatment of women easy and desirable?

Iran was fairly secular in the 70s before the islamic revolution, women had more freedom. but once islam took hold womens rights bcme non-existant.

Explain

[Minimalist]

Explain

Allah wants it that way.

[mo3taz3nbar]

it seems that the countries that Islam is strongest in are the most oppressive to women.

Is this a coincidence? or is it something about Islam that makes the mistreatment of women easy and desirable?

Iran was fairly secular in the 70s before the islamic revolution, women had more freedom. but once islam took hold womens rights bcme non-existant.

Explain

only 3 countries that i think contain women opression iran,saudia arabia and afghanistan dont start making suggestions when i quoted to you from the Quran you can rather read what i wrote

[Paul the Human]

dont start making suggestions when i quoted to you from the Quran you can rather read what i wrote

*sighs* Get it through your head, mo3. It doesn't matter to us what the Qur'an says. What matters is the reality of the way women are treated in Muslim countries. If there is anyone here that seems to hold misconceptions about that... it is you.

[Violet]

In other words: You are not here to listen to anyone. You are here to preach.

am not here to preach but also am not here to argue without an end if someone is saying his opinion or saying somthing clear i respond but when i feel that someone really hate religion and talk in inapproperiate way i prefer to pass

You've hardly argued... let alone argued without end The more venomous a person's hate of a thing... the more a very good argument will affect them. We've simply yet to see any... and not answering very good counterpoints it makes your argument all the weaker appearing.

[mo3taz3nbar]

You've hardly argued... let alone argued without end The more venomous a person's hate of a thing... the more a very good argument will affect them. We've simply yet to see any... and not answering very good counterpoints it makes your argument all the weaker appearing.

ok maybe i didnt see counterpoints on the subject as i think i answered all the members who asked questions in a propriate way if there is any points you see i didnt answer plz clarify it

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*sighs* Get it through your head, mo3. It doesn't matter to us what the Qur'an says. What matters is the reality of the way women are treated in Muslim countries. If there is anyone here that seems to hold misconceptions about that... it is you.

OMG what does that has to do with your believe or my believe?thats not the subject the subject is women in islam not women in some muslim countries(even this i clarified before)

[Minimalist]

is women in islam not women in some muslim countries(even this i clarified before)

Wow.

I guess they make these for your sect, too.

[mo3taz3nbar]

@ minimalist lol thats funny picture but they dont do it for my sect we are asked in the Quran to think and reason not to follow blindly

[Violet]

ok maybe i didnt see counterpoints on the subject as i think i answered all the members who asked questions in a propriate way if there is any points you see i didnt answer plz clarify it

You could try answering Scented Nectar for a start Else it seems you have no answer to her argument... and her argument would remain an uncontested conclusion, which would hardly support your "side?" of the argument

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Also, you've yet to respond to my post from page 4, which I've just now copied and moved here (and edited two words that might be slightly misleading). It's another point that gone unresponded makes your side only the weaker

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6-covering her body(hijab):

Why should only one of the sexes cover her body if men and women have equal rights?

the man also have to cover his body but not the same parts(from stomach to knees)
and also the woman body is different than a man

Not really.





There is no noticeable difference I can see in leg structure (hence why should the lower reach for men's clothing be higher than the woman if not for double standard?)... nor is there any real difference in chest anatomy (men have 'boobs' too, the only real difference between them and women in regards to the chest is that men often do not have activated mammary glands (which can activate and look little different (if different at all) from women's boobs)). Conclusion: the human body is quite comparable between males and females of the human species.

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[Minimalist]

@ minimalist lol thats funny picture but they dont do it for my sect we are asked in the Quran to think and reason not to follow blindly

Yeah....I'm sure that's the mantra of suicide bombers everywhere!

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only 3 countries that i think contain women opression iran,saudia arabia and afghanistan dont start making suggestions when i quoted to you from the Quran you can rather read what i wrote

Ah...so things are peachy-keen in Pakistan?

http://www.islamfortoday.com/pakistanwomen.htm

Gender relations in Pakistan rest on two basic perceptions: that women are subordinate to men, and that a man's honor resides in the actions of the women of his family. Thus, as in other orthodox Muslim societies, women are responsible for maintaining the family honor. To ensure that they do not dishonor their families, society limits women's mobility, places restrictions on their behavior and activities, and permits them only limited contact with the opposite sex. Space is allocated to and used differently by men and women. For their protection and respectability, women have traditionally been expected to live under the constraints of purdah (purdah is Persian for curtain), most obvious in veiling. By separating women from the activities of men, both physically and symbolically, purdah creates differentiated male and female spheres. Most women spend the major part of their lives physically within their homes and courtyards and go out only for serious and approved reasons. Outside the home, social life generally revolves around the activities of men. In most parts of the country, except perhaps in Islamabad, Karachi, and wealthier parts of a few other cities, people consider a woman--and her family--to be shameless if no restrictions are placed on her mobility.

Yep...sounds like female heaven, alright.