What if we're all wrong though?

[Purple Rabbit]

@PR- please I do welcome the comments, as always, and I appreciate the compliment.

My point was as a usefull descriptor of the nature of something it would necessarily need a noun, not a humanistic adjective. For instance "a Clock has gears" or a "clock tells time" as opposed to "the clock is small" or "the clock is extravagant". Love is not an unintelligible concept, nor do I use it to merely lend depth to my concept of God, I read it in a book somewhere . In this instance it's not the imperfect love we experience with our wives (not to belittle that love of course). God's Love gives and sacrifices unconditionally expecting nothing in return. It's patient, kind, does not boast, etc.. I don't think I need to quote it all for anyone. It's also for an eternity and despite the fact people hate him and deny him. It's all also speculation, but it's the basis of the Christian Faith.

A "clock has gears" statement is a definition of the type "entity of type x necessarily contains parts of type y but not necessarily only parts of type y", and adds meaning by defining what entities are of type x, by what characteristic type of part they can be recognized as such and what is contained in what. "God is love" is an identity statement that only switches labels, which fails to add meaning. The fact that this type of definition cannot be seen as adding information to the concept to be defined is usually seen as a sign for non-literal or metaphorical interpretation. As such it fails to have any value in a logical evaluation notwithstanding the fact that love as an observable emotional commitment in the real world between two or more sentient beings, really exists. In short, though love indeed exists in the real world the parasitic relabeling trick does not give rise to a supernatural sentient being that rules the universe.

As to ripping out the OT, I use it for lots of things. I find lots of religious texts useful in teaching. I wish the KJV included the apocrapha. I'm not going to destroy something because I find it less relevant to the main point.

How people somehow manage to euphemize from "genocidal" to "less relevant" in two sentences is what keeps amazing me. Rumour has it that metaphysical belief induces the shutting down of the frontal lobes, the place where critical thinking faculties reside.

[mo3taz3nbar]

I will have been wrong about his existence

god is justice if that is really the case you will never be punished for doing something you really dont know about. but the punishment will be for ignoring the revelations he sent and ignoring his signs and becoming arrogant
and i will discuss this in another thread lool

[Paul the Human]

Good thing I'm not wrong. At least when it's time for you to find out you were wrong... you never will know it (or anything else, for that matter).

[mem]

Good thing I'm not wrong. At least when it's time for you to find out you were wrong... you never will know it (or anything else, for that matter).

Very true

[Purple Rabbit]

That's not the full answer, though, mo3.

We would also be thrown into a lake of fire...

Thrown to a "devourer"

Suffer for eons before being reborn as a worm

And swim in molten metal for thousands of years

Of course, you will be sharing all of these punishments with the rest of us. So enjoy eternity, mo!

But you have to admit that you get infinitely many free lives in this game

[WingedFoe]

@WingedFoe am muslim and you are quoting from the bible i dont know why lol

@mo3taz3nbar am atheist and you are quoting from the quran i dont know why lol

[mo3taz3nbar]

@WingedFoe am muslim and you are quoting from the bible i dont know why lol

@mo3taz3nbar am atheist and you are quoting from the quran i dont know why lol

loooool i just thought it would be nice to mention what will happen if you guyz where wrong from my point of view as a muslim

[WingedFoe]

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@WingedFoe am muslim and you are quoting from the bible i dont know why lol

@mo3taz3nbar am atheist and you are quoting from the quran i dont know why lol

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loooool i just thought it would be nice to mention what will happen if you guyz where wrong from my point of view as a muslim

And I thought it would be nice to show you the perspectives of a few other faiths

So, mo3, what makes your faith more credible than those others that I presented? How do you know that your eternal fate is going to be decided by the Qur'an, and not the Bible?

Keep in mind while answering that quoting passages from the Qur'an isn't going to get you anywhere, because I can simply counter with my own holy book of choice. Maybe something from the Book of Mormon this time...

[mo3taz3nbar]

So, mo3, what makes your faith more credible than those others that I presented? How do you know that your eternal fate is going to be decided by the Qur'an, and not the Bible?

its not that easy to answer you as a reply in a thread talking about something else but i will try to in few words .Islam is not the religion that muhammad(pbuh) come with its the religion of all the prophets who came before which means submission to god will every little problem you have with religion that make you doesnt believe is why god send his last messenger with the last revelation that contains all god word(that was in the original bible and torah) to be preserved from any change plz check threads done before by me in religion section especially this http://atheistforums.org/thread-3784.html it contains some of the reasons that make me believe in islam

Keep in mind while answering that quoting passages from the Qur'an isn't going to get you anywhere, because I can simply counter with my own holy book of choice. Maybe something from the Book of Mormon this time...

i dont know what to do? i quote from the Quran to prove that what am saying is from the Quran and am not saying lies or preaching anyway my next thread i will talk with you guys about atheism as i really would love to know more about this and there will be no quoting from the Quran

[Minimalist]

will be no quoting from the Quran

That will be a refreshing change.