How humans are "slaves", and how that leads to the existence of God.

[Minimalist]

It's hard for me to believe that these laws came by themselves.

There is no smoke without fire.

That is called the Argument from Personal Incredulity.

http://www.toolkitforthinking.com/critic...ncredulity


In essence you are admitting to being too dumb to understand things.

[Rhondazvous]

It's hard for me to believe that these laws came by themselves.

There is no smoke without fire.

That is called the Argument from Personal Incredulity.

http://www.toolkitforthinking.com/critic...ncredulity


In essence you are admitting to being too dumb to understand things.

I suspect theists study these fallacies ad examples of what they should do.

[WinterHold]

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RaphielDrake


The latter. This is a possibility that Muslims believe in.
It gives me the creeps when I see atheists accusing believers in God as "mad and crazy"; since it's a very logical possibility.

Rhondazvous

Religious people look at the natural disasters and say that is god punishing America for her wickedness. If that’s so then his aim is a little off, for it’s mostly poor and powerless people who are being struck while the PTB on this planet are mostly unaffected.

Not exactly. "some" religious people think that, forgetting that their governments (and them included) might've committed more crimes than the American regimes.
And actually mama America brought her own doom to itself; you don't read economical news ? that's what you get for printing fake money anyhow.

The "wrath of God" is something else.Check these verses :

Sura 69
( 6 )   And as for 'Aad, they were destroyed by a screaming, violent wind

( 7 )   Which Allah imposed upon them for seven nights and eight days in succession, so you would see the people therein fallen as if they were hollow trunks of palm trees.
( 8 )   Then do you see of them any remains?

[url=http://atheistforums.org/user-6397.html]robvalue

Live and win? What does that mean?

Go to paradise and escape hell; that's winning.
Being in paradise, that's living.

I don't care what his commands are, and I don't worship anything. Why should I? Shouldn't I use the brain he gave me?

 
Using that brain must lead you to him; it's then when other factors start to alter your judgement : like ego.
I mean rob, nobody knows what happened before the big bang. Eventually it's a matter of "guessing". But the possibility of a God causing it is indeed a path; pretty logical one too (billions believe in it).

By that, you're worshiping yourself actually.
This verse :

( 23 )   Have you seen he who has taken as his god his [own] desire, and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge and has set a seal upon his hearing and his heart and put over his vision a veil? So who will guide him after Allah? Then will you not be reminded?

Worshiping God is living, the aftermath of not worshiping him is something like the world today ? is war, hunger, death, doom. The strong feasts on the weak, and call it "a weighty decision"; just like WW2.

Irrational

That applies on atheists too : why immediately jump to the option of no God being present in the equation ? it's not like an evidence was discovered ! it's guessing,nothing more & nothing less.
That's why nobody can win that argument since thousands of years.


[b]Redbeard The Pink

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No, I really don't.

Thank  you !

If Gaud wasn't the "product of an action," then things do not have to be the products of actions in order to exist, and therefore Gaud is not required to make things exist.


If things have to be the product of an action in order to exist, then Gaud must be the product of an action and raises the question of which and whose action he is a product of.


If Gaud is the only thing that does not have to be the product of an action, then that is special pleading.

You neglected the possibility that God is not a "thing".
We are "things". God is not even a "thing".

(Sura 6 Verse 103 )   Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted.

(Sura 42 11 )   [He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

In other words we apply the word "things" on anything that is not him.

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[url=http://atheistforums.org/user-6118.html]Irrational

That applies on atheists too : why immediately jump to the option of no God being present in the equation ?

It's the default option. Until you present clear evidence for the existence of God, atheism is the reasonable option to go with.
Keep in mind that atheism means lack of belief in God, not the belief that no God exists.

[Homeless Nutter]

It gives me the creeps when I see atheists accusing believers in God as "mad and crazy";[...]

Yeah, me too - "mad" and "crazy" mean the same thing, goddamit!... 

[robvalue]

So... escaping hell. Hell that God sends us to. So you're basically threatening me on god's behalf; my big brother will beat you up if you don't do what he says (which just happens to be what I'm telling you to do). That's it? That's your argument for why I should join a religion?

We should do what God says or he will punish us. His authority is beyond question. There is no discussion or reasoning with him. He will do what he wants to do through force.

That is a fascist dictator. I'm surprised you can't see that. Are you OK with this?

I'm not interested in bowing to dictators. I'll live my life using my own brain to decide what is right and wrong, and I won't demean myself by worshipping anyone. A being that demands worship is certainly not worthy of it, anyway. If he punishes me for living a good life, and putting the happiness and wellbeing of people and animals that I can be sure are actually real above his petty demands for attention, then he is an evil egotistical being.

I don't trust any being like that, anyway. Anyone who rules through force and just does whatever the fuck they want can change their mind on a whim and chuck me in the bin even after I spent my whole life sucking up to them. If he has a shred of goodness, he will see that I'm using my brain to live my life in a way I consider good.

Maybe he'll respect me for having the balls to stand up to him, huh?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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RaphielDrake


The latter. This is a possibility that Muslims believe in.
It gives me the creeps when I see atheists accusing believers in God as "mad and crazy"; since it's a very logical possibility.

Rhondazvous

Religious people look at the natural disasters and say that is god punishing America for her wickedness. If that’s so then his aim is a little off, for it’s mostly poor and powerless people who are being struck while the PTB on this planet are mostly unaffected.

Not exactly. "some" religious people think that, forgetting that their governments (and them included) might've committed more crimes than the American regimes.
And actually mama America brought her own doom to itself; you don't read economical news ? that's what you get for printing fake money anyhow.

The "wrath of God" is something else.Check these verses :

Sura 69
( 6 )   And as for 'Aad, they were destroyed by a screaming, violent wind

( 7 )   Which Allah imposed upon them for seven nights and eight days in succession, so you would see the people therein fallen as if they were hollow trunks of palm trees.
( 8 )   Then do you see of them any remains?

[url=http://atheistforums.org/user-6397.html]robvalue

Live and win? What does that mean?

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Go to paradise and escape hell; that's winning.
Being in paradise, that's living.

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I don't care what his commands are, and I don't worship anything. Why should I? Shouldn't I use the brain he gave me?

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Using that brain must lead you to him; it's then when other factors start to alter your judgement : like ego.
I mean rob, nobody knows what happened before the big bang. Eventually it's a matter of "guessing". But the possibility of a God causing it is indeed a path; pretty logical one too (billions believe in it).

By that, you're worshiping yourself actually.
This verse :

( 23 )   Have you seen he who has taken as his god his [own] desire, and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge and has set a seal upon his hearing and his heart and put over his vision a veil? So who will guide him after Allah? Then will you not be reminded?

Worshiping God is living, the aftermath of not worshiping him is something like the world today ? is war, hunger, death, doom. The strong feasts on the weak, and call it "a weighty decision"; just like WW2.

Irrational

That applies on atheists too : why immediately jump to the option of no God being present in the equation ? it's not like an evidence was discovered ! it's guessing,nothing more & nothing less.
That's why nobody can win that argument since thousands of years.


[b]Redbeard The Pink

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No, I really don't.

Thank  you !

If Gaud wasn't the "product of an action," then things do not have to be the products of actions in order to exist, and therefore Gaud is not required to make things exist.


If things have to be the product of an action in order to exist, then Gaud must be the product of an action and raises the question of which and whose action he is a product of.


If Gaud is the only thing that does not have to be the product of an action, then that is special pleading.

You neglected the possibility that God is not a "thing".
We are "things". God is not even a "thing".

(Sura 6 Verse 103 )   Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted.

(Sura 42 11 )   [He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

In other words we apply the word "things" on anything that is not him.

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There are several paradises, each one of varying quality.  So how can a person be happy in the basic paradise when there are better ones?

[BrokenQuill92]

Either the op is Jayden Smith or my screen reader is faulty.

[houseofcantor]

[ignoramus]

If you're not careful, you'll get kudos from Jenny for that!   hehe