A question about hell

[dyresand]

Because Dirch when it comes down to it let's say if god existed the notion of justice is thrown out the window.
You can go and pillage rape steal etc. then all you have to do is pray to god and accept jesus and be saved from your transgressions. 
With that way thinking it is dangerous yet your book says do no to this do not do that and why is that a country that is mostly christians and christians are a heavy majority in jail. While get this atheists and mostly secular non god believing countries have less crime and overall are doing much more better. One would wonder the idea of hell should scare anyone to getting on the right path but why is it that non believers and atheists make better christians than actual christians who follow the bible.

Can you put me back on your ignore list please...

Just incase you serious sandy, The God of the bible does not judge us by 'morality.' Our righteousness has nothing to do with whether or not we are 'good people.'

That said, Most people believe God judges us on morality. That is why really bad people (people in jail for murder and the like) tend to seek God/Be Christian. Because they know they fail to even meet the stands of Sodom and Gamorrah (the eurpoean countries with low crime rates you are boasting about.)
Those poor fools think that because they have their own 'morals' and can abide by them, they are exempt from God's judgement/don't need God. so the people who see themselves as 'moral' don't tend/need to be Christian because they have fooled themselves with their own self righteousness and pride.

But, again... God does not judge us based on 'morality.' which means all morality counts for crap in the long run. God with the death of Christ eliminated the need to judge us based on what we do. rather the ONLY Qualification God requires is that we Honor the Death, burial and resurrection that Paid our way to eternal life. That's it. So it all basically boils down to those who want to go to Heaven will Honor god as instructed and those who want 'morality' get to go to hell with theirs.

Well god should judge people on their morals if that was the case atheists would be in the express line for heaven. 
Also the idea of sin and jesus is also fucking horrible i would rather pay for my transgressions than put  them on a magical jewish zombie.
Then why the fuck is god good anyways he is shown more to be a fucking dictator in the bible but oh the book says he is good over  and over to stamp out the obvious point that well maybe worshipping god is a bad idea. But no people worship a complete insane being that has no morals and doesn't have the  power to forgive not to mention said being doesn't seem to value human life. That can be seen in the bible and seen reality i don't  need to drag it on but i am glad that god of the bible doesn't exist.

[Chad32]

You're telling we can? I'm sure I can find another christian who tells me he can too, but if I get you both in a room you won't agree on some of the things this one guy is telling you. So either it's not really true, or Jesus is really crappy at communication. Hence the wars between christians on how to properly worship the same god.

I'm afraid that claiming to know things you didn't know before isn't really proof, because there's no way for the rest of us to really test it.

But their is. What was given me is not meant just for me. If you or anyone else want what I have, then all one need to is seek god on his terms.

Again, the 'proof' God gives is not to force anyone who does not want to believe, but to assure the one who sought God as he was told. In essence my 'proof' was for me. If you want 'proof' He will taylor exactly what you need to establish and maintain a relationship with you. Knoweledge of god is apart of that, but it is not the end of it. It just depends on what you need. Doubting Thomas needed to stick His hands in the wounds of Christ and He got what he needed. I need understanding. I needed to know how things worked. that is what I got. God will give you exactly what you need if you will approach him as He instructs.

Ask god on his terms? Why? If he wants me to dedicate my life to him, it's got to be on my terms. He has to come to me, and convince me why I should follow him. Not send someone else. Not send vague signs. I can't approach him. He has to approach me.

People have made careers out of supposedly knowing things they shouldn't, and called themselves psychics, but that's still not very consistent.

the difference between me and them, is what I'm given to understand is all verifiable. that is all I do is verify what I've been given.

And yet a board of atheists remains unconvinced.

I may have said this before, but if someone wants a relationship with me, they have to initiate it. No god has initiated a conversation with me on a level I've been able to notice and show to other people.

So if the PotUS left an open invitation which you come to find out later by someone else like you that you qualify for a personal relationship with him, you'd stick by your "if someone wants a relationship with me.." guns?
I'm mean really? If someone like you said that hey look man you qualify to be "X" for the PotUS and all you have to do is qualify yourself by ABC, and you got full access to the PotUS You'd say the PotUS need come beg you?

I'm not even a Obama fan, but I think I would seriously consider the offer if it did not cost me anything.

The president can call me on the phone any time he wants, and we can meet at a nice restaurant and hang out. I'd even foot the bill. In your analogy the guy with the letter wouldn't even have proof that a POTUS existed outside of what he wrote in the name of the POTUS.

Oh, the killing an immortal part. ok. How could an immortal being atone for the crime of killing an immortal? Community service. Doing favors for the family. Though if it's the whole species, then doing good for the next species? I don't know about specifics. Burning someone alive for eternity has no constructive result. It's just watching someone scream in agony endlessly.

So.. If a single Immortal being took the lives of every single being in an entire species who will ever be, who otherwise would themselves be immortal, by burning them in Hell fire you do not feel that "an eye for an Eye" would be fair punishment?

Now lets tack on the rest of our story. Now lets say your in a position to resurrect 1/3 to 1/2 of those beings that your 'immortal' buddy killed via Hell fire. What would you do with the murderer then? do you let him loose to corrupt and kill those in whom you resurrected? or do you permanently separate them?

That wouldn't be an eye for an eye, unless he was roasting all those other people for eternity.

As tempting as an eye for an eye mentality is, that doesn't change the fact that roasting someone on a spit isn't constructive. You're not getting anything good out of it unless you enjoy seeing someone burn to death.

Free will is being able to act the way you want to act. Having autonomy. Granted being able to think your own thoughts is needed to act how you want to act, but it doesn't mean having complete control over the thoughts you have. People should be judged by their actions. Not their thoughts. That's why I think the god of the bible is evil. He says he's the good guy, but he acts like a psycho.

So... Judge people on their actions and not their thoughts huh?

Syrian refugees.. you ready to have a few stay with you till we get this whole back ground check sorted out?

Before you answer like a leftist nut bag who does not understand the true nature of the question know this:

Sunni Muslims have a common world view. In that they have been tasked by their god to take it over. Now, they have one of three ways to do this. 1) to sit down and convert someone to islam
2) If a people in a region are docile/non confrontive they are to move into that area and simply out breed the residence, and with in a generation or two overthrow the host government.
3)Jihad.

Now, ISIS are Sunni Jihadists. (they are not extremists nor are they outside of the rules of their religion/That is why 'moderate muslims' do not openly condemn them) Your basic refugee is a Sunni 'breeder.' Male Sunni breeder... What happens to the 'breeder' mentality when these guys move to western countries and find out that girls from the home land are far and few between, western women will not convert to islam, wear those black circus tents, and serve and service their husbands like they did back home? What do you think will happen with the 'thoughts' of a man who's only hope of heaven requires Him to take over the world by either out breeding, converting 'atheists'/you guys, or killing infidels?

So again, if you think it is wrong to judge thought, are you read to move a few of those 18-35 Sunni syerians into your home till the rest of us figure out he is indeed a "breeder"/Jihadist Bomb waiting to go off, or if he is a full on jihadist pretending to be a breeder..

Or did you mean YOU shouldn't be judged by YOUR thoughts?

You talk about muslims being tasked with taking over the world as if that's not the same thing Yahweh tasks christians to do. And christians have already corrupted this secular nation to the point that some believe it was founded on christian principles. So I'm not any more worried about muslims in my country than I am christians. It's not like we don't have right wing religious terrorist groups operating here already.

I would be willing to have anyone in my house as long as they could prove they were trustworthy, and paid their rent up front.

Also see? I can do it too f you really want it that way.

[Drich]

who says?

Because Hitler accepted jesus that's why once you get "saved" all your  sins go away so there. 
Hitler along with terrible people who did terrible things that  accepted jesus get a free pass into heaven.

again, says who. or are you speaking out of a general ignorance of History?

How could Hitler or any man who proclaimed to be God, be a follower of Jesus. If They claim to be God or have the authority of God to set up a church who's core principles allow you do commit evil, then you can not be a foolower of Christ.

 Hitler re-wrote Christianity to where he was the central figure. Doing so is not following Jesus or accepting Jesus. The only thing 'christian' about Hitler's "Reich Church" or positive Christianity was the church wanted people's devotion. But to Hitler rather than God.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity

[Drich]

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Can you put me back on your ignore list please...

Just incase you serious sandy, The God of the bible does not judge us by 'morality.' Our righteousness has nothing to do with whether or not we are 'good people.'

That said, Most people believe God judges us on morality. That is why really bad people (people in jail for murder and the like) tend to seek God/Be Christian. Because they know they fail to even meet the stands of Sodom and Gamorrah (the eurpoean countries with low crime rates you are boasting about.)
Those poor fools think that because they have their own 'morals' and can abide by them, they are exempt from God's judgement/don't need God. so the people who see themselves as 'moral' don't tend/need to be Christian because they have fooled themselves with their own self righteousness and pride.

But, again... God does not judge us based on 'morality.' which means all morality counts for crap in the long run. God with the death of Christ eliminated the need to judge us based on what we do. rather the ONLY Qualification God requires is that we Honor the Death, burial and resurrection that Paid our way to eternal life. That's it. So it all basically boils down to those who want to go to Heaven will Honor god as instructed and those who want 'morality' get to go to hell with theirs.

Well god should judge people on their morals if that was the case atheists would be in the express line for heaven.

Good News!! Dry sand YOU will be.. Unfortunatly you will be weighed measured and found wanting..
(Your 'morality' is not good enough)

 
Also the idea of sin and jesus is also fucking horrible i would rather pay for my transgressions than put  them on a magical jewish zombie.

Good News Again!!! You will pay for your transgressions, and the wage for sin is death.

Then why the fuck is god good anyways he is shown more to be a fucking dictator in the bible but oh the book says he is good over  and over to stamp out the obvious point that well maybe worshipping god is a bad idea.

Said the inmate about the warden.

But no people worship a complete insane being that has no morals and doesn't have the  power to forgive not to mention said being doesn't seem to value human life. That can be seen in the bible and seen reality i don't  need to drag it on but i am glad that god of the bible doesn't exist.

So because God does not allow you to just be Evil without some acknowledgement from you that you are evil, in your small closed mind He is unforgiving?

You sound like someone who has never truly ever been held to account to his actions. I hope you find accountability before it is too late.

[Chad32]

Hitler thought of himself as very important, and was willing to kill people who didn't agree, or weren't of his chosen people. Seems pretty god-like in personality if not power level.

[ApeNotKillApe]

What does the scanner say about Hitler's power level?

[Chad32]

He didn't make it over 90, unfortunately.

[dyresand]

Can you put me back on your ignore list please...

Just incase you serious sandy, The God of the bible does not judge us by 'morality.' Our righteousness has nothing to do with whether or not we are 'good people.'

That said, Most people believe God judges us on morality. That is why really bad people (people in jail for murder and the like) tend to seek God/Be Christian. Because they know they fail to even meet the stands of Sodom and Gamorrah (the eurpoean countries with low crime rates you are boasting about.)
Those poor fools think that because they have their own 'morals' and can abide by them, they are exempt from God's judgement/don't need God. so the people who see themselves as 'moral' don't tend/need to be Christian because they have fooled themselves with their own self righteousness and pride.

But, again... God does not judge us based on 'morality.' which means all morality counts for crap in the long run. God with the death of Christ eliminated the need to judge us based on what we do. rather the ONLY Qualification God requires is that we Honor the Death, burial and resurrection that Paid our way to eternal life. That's it. So it all basically boils down to those who want to go to Heaven will Honor god as instructed and those who want 'morality' get to go to hell with theirs.

Well god should judge people on their morals if that was the case atheists would be in the express line for heaven.

Good News!! Dry sand YOU will be.. Unfortunatly you will be weighed measured and found wanting..
(Your 'morality' is not good enough)

 
Also the idea of sin and jesus is also fucking horrible i would rather pay for my transgressions than put  them on a magical jewish zombie.

Good News Again!!! You will pay for your transgressions, and the wage for sin is death.

Then why the fuck is god good anyways he is shown more to be a fucking dictator in the bible but oh the book says he is good over  and over to stamp out the obvious point that well maybe worshipping god is a bad idea.

Said the inmate about the warden.

But no people worship a complete insane being that has no morals and doesn't have the  power to forgive not to mention said being doesn't seem to value human life. That can be seen in the bible and seen reality i don't  need to drag it on but i am glad that god of the bible doesn't exist.

So because God does not allow you to just be Evil without some acknowledgement from you that you are evil, in your small closed mind He is unforgiving?

You sound like someone who has never truly ever been held to account to his actions. I hope you find accountability before it is too late.

You worship a being get this that has no regards for human life that should be enough to get you thinking.

[ApeNotKillApe]

He didn't make it over 90, unfortunately.

Wow, that's like 1/16th of a Raditz. Hitler fucking sucks.

[Chad32]

This is off topic, but I always thought it was odd that Vageta was the one they decided would be redeemed eventually, instead of Goku's brother. If anyoen would have motivation to be good to him and his son, it would be a relative.