Muslim thinks that suffering happens to muslims because Allah is testing their faith

[Jackalope]

How would you respond?

"Your god sounds like an asshole."

[mr_j936]

I heard that tune after the hajj stampede in Mecca where over one thousand died. "God wanted to summon his lovers to heaven and he used a stampede to do it". Not sure then what he wanted to do with the wounded.

I thought to myself well great, then they won't hate me if I wish them more deadly accidents. But of course I never said it to anyone's face. I really wanted to though. And logically, they  shouldn't, I only wish them to go to heaven 

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I heard that tune after the hajj stampede in Mecca where over one thousand died. "God wanted to summon his lovers to heaven and he used a stampede to do it". Not sure then what he wanted to do with the wounded.

I thought to myself well great, then they won't hate me if I wish them more deadly accidents. But of course I never said it to anyone's face. I really wanted to though. And logically, they  shouldn't, I only wish them to go to heaven 

Muslims don't go to heaven; they go to one of the various paradises or to Islamic hell.  One of the best ways to get into one of the paradises is to die while on haj or to die in a collapsing building.  Kids can get into paradise if they are buried alive.  Those guys who died in the stampede were really lucky.  They hit the jackpot.

[mr_j936]

I did not know there was a difference between the word paradise and heaven, in arabic we use the same word for christians and muslims. And yes I know, dying in the hajj is an automatic heaven. Would they object if some country were to nuke the event? Would it even be logical?

I am not sure where muslim women go. Heaven is described for males, it says they have 72 beautiful women called hoor, and each one of those has like 72 female servants. And it is very specific that they return a virgin again after sex(muslims are really perverted) It says nothing about what women get. I guess the man who invented the religion could not care less. He said that women have half the brain and the faith of a man, and that she should be beaten. And looking at muslim women who accept those teachings I have very little doubt that these women do have half a brain. Not that their men are much brighter.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I did not know there was a difference between the word paradise and heaven, in arabic we use the same word for christians and muslims. And yes I know, dying in the hajj is an automatic heaven. Would they object if some country were to nuke the event? Would it even be logical?

I am not sure where muslim women go. Heaven is described for males, it says they have 72 beautiful women called hoor, and each one of those has like 72 female servants. And it is very specific that they return a virgin again after sex(muslims are really perverted) It says nothing about what women get. I guess the man who invented the religion could not care less. He said that women have half the brain and the faith of a man, and that she should be beaten. And looking at muslim women who accept those teachings I have very little doubt that these women do have half a brain. Not that their men are much brighter.

Most people in Islamic hell are women.

"Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 54 :: Hadith 464

Narrated 'Imran bin Husain:

The Prophet said, "I looked at Paradise and found poor people forming the majority of its inhabitants; and I looked at Hell and saw that the majority of its inhabitants were women.""

Actually they only get two 60 cubit tall wives from the houri.  The other wives are parolees from hell.  But they do get a gang of cute boys.  They really like boys.

"Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 54 :: Hadith 476

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "The first batch (of people) who will enter Paradise will be (glittering) like the full moon, and the batch next to them will be (glittering) like the most brilliant star in the sky. Their hearts will be as if the heart of a single man, for they will have neither enmity nor jealousy amongst themselves; everyone will have two wives from the houris, (who will be so beautiful, pure and transparent that) the marrow of the bones of their legs will be seen through the bones and the flesh.""

[robvalue]

[mr_j936]

They really hate their women don't they. And their women hate themselves. And I hate them.

It is hard for me to respect someone who refuses to respect themselves. How can I respect a muslim woman when she keeps considering herself nothing more than a piece of meat that should be covered and when she believes she is worth half a man(or a quarter of a man if you think about it from the marriage perspective). And they think they deserve to be beaten.

[robvalue]

I see them as victims. They have likely been brainwashed into thinking they are unworthy since birth. I know what such psychological abuse can do, I had a version of it myself. It made me consider myself worthless and incapable. It took me a lot of time and effort to break free of that perception. I can't imagine how much harder it is when everyone around you is reinforcing those beliefs.

[ignoramus]

IMO, that is the ugly social scarring of religion at its worst.
My question is, do these women have a choice? What could they do today with being hurt further?

[robvalue]

It seems to me they have very little choice, unless they are with enlightened/progressive Muslims. I imagine their only choice is to flee, being able to take little with them. Their confidence is probably too badly dented to even try.