3 stages made me believe in Islam: 1-atheism

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@ Minimalist
if muhammad could come and said my god is bullshit. do you think any muslim would cared?
well i wouldn't actually damn, guy just got ressurected his mind must have been confused i would said.

[Minimalist]

do you thing any muslim would cared?

Of course not. Some mullah would explain why bullshit was 'holy.'

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tell me how you want me to answer your questions if you have a better idea).

you are right i dont have a better idea i would do the same if i were you. you can't answer my questions with any other logic. And right now either you have to say "you are right" which means you are not a muslim anymore or you must keep continue with that logic.
i understand that.But I think you can do it.. just follow the voice of reason.If you cant find an answer(becouse there isn't) dont fight it. just accept that. I know you are in doubt right now but you will feel better once you admitted to yourself. And if you want more proof, read quran one more time. but read it as an objective person. You will see that quran is just another book written by a trickster.

[mo3taz3nbar]

you are right i dont have a better idea i would do the same if i were you. you can't answer my questions with any other logic. And right now either you have to say "you are right" which means you are not a muslim anymore or you must keep continue with that logic.

i answered all your questions if there is something not answered post it again plz

i understand that.But I think you can do it.. just follow the voice of reason.If you cant find an answer(becouse there isn't) dont fight it. just accept that. I know you are in doubt right now but you will feel better once you admitted to yourself. And if you want more proof, read quran one more time. but read it as an objective person. You will see that quran is just another book written by a trickster.

i used to be in doubt before for a long time as i was not interested to search in the right way but now i am really sure about my beliefs and the more i talk with non muslims and they fail to remove even one of the reasons that make me believe i become more sure.i gave you a link about some of the reasons that make me believe and i didnt see any comment from you but anyway am going to make a thread about miracles in the Quran and hope to hear your opinion in this issue

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i answered all your questions if there is something not answered post it again plz

Like i said you can't answer my questions properly becouse there is no answer. You were just saying "quran is right becouse quran is right."
Anyway answer that heritage sharing error then.(i know you cant becouse that is a mathematical error not philosophical.)But please learn something about it first. You don't even know how muslims fix that errror(which they cannot but.. anyway.)
in case you cant find my old post ;

okay my bad sorry its not "baqarah 180." its An-Nisa 11. i wasnt going to post it here for its off topic but you are forcing me. and i know you wont answer my questions until i post it...

Quote:Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females. But if there are [only] daughters, two or more, for them is two thirds of one's estate. And if there is only one, for her is half. And for one's parents, to each one of them is a sixth of his estate if he left children. But if he had no children and the parents [alone] inherit from him, then for his mother is one third. And if he had brothers [or sisters], for his mother is a sixth, after any bequest he [may have] made or debt. Your parents or your children - you know not which of them are nearest to you in benefit. [These shares are] an obligation [imposed] by Allah . Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.
Nisa 11.

okay there is the math problem...
first of all read it carefully. then read it again for its impossible to understand at one timeTongue
lets do the math then..

2/3 to daughter 1/6 to mother and father each. 1/8 to his wife.
(2/3)+(1/6)+(1/6)+(1/8 )= 27/24 = 1,125
okay if you are little educated you can see that mathematical error here. you cant divide your heritage as quran instructed. its impossible...

You didnt answer any of my questions you are just dodging them.
please comment on baqarah 223. and tell me how this is not an insulting point of view.
are you willing to say this to a woman ;
you are a place of sowing of seed for me, so i will come to my place of cultivation however I wish and put forth [righteousness] for myself.

if you already write it please copy and paste it becouse i couldn't find it anywhere!!!

Or try to explain why we should amputate people when they steal something.

As for your so-called miracles, i have seen them before and if you are that much willing to lose a debate. Then bring them to me

[Paul the Human]

but anyway am going to make a thread about miracles in the Quran and hope to hear your opinion in this issue

Oh, please don't. And, for the last time... a book's content cannot act as evidence of the same book's veracity. You say you are explaining what and why you believe, but all you do is quote that book as if it were true and claim that it's truth proves that it is true. You are stuck in an infinite loop. I'm beginning to think you need medication.

[mo3taz3nbar]

@annatar you asked the question about heritage in the thread about women in islam and i answered you why you are repeating this again in here?

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And, for the last time... a book's content cannot act as evidence of the same book's veracity. You say you are explaining what and why you believe, but all you do is quote that book as if it were true and claim that it's truth proves that it is true.

you can prove if a book is true or not from what is written in it(not if it said so) but you can examine the information inside it to know wether its from god or not its that easy.tell me another way that can be used as a prove rather than the book that god sent to the people or the book that claims it is revelation from god?

You are stuck in an infinite loop. I'm beginning to think you need medication.

i will ignore that rudness as i dont talk to anyone like that so plz do the same here

[Dotard]

you can prove if a book is true or not from what is written in it(not if it said so) but you can examine the information inside it to know wether its from god or not its that easy.tell me another way that can be used as a prove rather than the book that god sent to the people or the book that claims it is revelation from god?

Mo3, you are hanging your 'arguement' on these so-called "miraculous revelations" you find in your Quaran. As you were listing these things you were shown these claims are bullocks yet you seem to refuse to even consider you might be wrong. The whole Iron claim you make is non-sensical as everything is formed of the stuff from exploding stars. Nothing is 'sent down'. And the phrase 'sent down' was used so generally as a figure of speech when refering to the 'gifts' God was providing as they commonly refered to the Gods place of residence as above the earth.

And maybe, just maybe, mohammad was refering to meteoric iron. How could mohammed have known there was usable iron in those funny looking rocks?

I do believe this Iron was known and being used by mankind long before mohammed walked the earth.
As youi love to tell others; "Do some searches" and you will know this. Mohammed knew because it was known. He just said Allah sent it down. It's like claiming the Bible as divinely true because it states "God sent down the rains". And look! We now know rain falls from the sky!!

Really Mr. Mo3, we could go thru each and every Miracle claim of your holy book and easily (as you love to say 'use logic and reason' to demonstrate each one bullocks just like the above example.

Please answer me this;

In the bible (and there is another thread about it here somewhere) they claim the prophesy about Israel as proof positive of the bibles' divinity.
Do you dismiss that claim as bullocks? Please explain exactly why you do.

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@annatar you asked the question about heritage in the thread about women in islam and i answered you why you are repeating this again in here?

I am repeating becouse you said;

i answered all your questions if there is something not answered post it again plz

And becouse you didn't really answered. last thing you said was "i know nothing about avl"
imagine you asked me something.
for example,
-how the universe created?
then i answered;
-Banana hammock..
then you asked the same question but i said "i answered that before.."
is that fair?
All I wanted from you was the explanation of that mathematical error i mentioned. but to do so you have read my post and do the math yourself(see if i am telling the truth). Don't post me a link about how muslims trying fix that mistake.(if you are trying to fix it then you are admiting that there is a mistake.)
you are keep saying "i answered this before" ,"i answered that before"... Are you trying to hide your poor arguments? If you're so clear about it just answer again.(if you insist on keep doing that, I will have to post your so-called answers and let the people decide wheter it is an answer or not.)
I insist on that error becouse it is the most crucial one. For it's a mathematical error. And you either say that god is not good at math or just confess that muhammed made the whole thing up.
Btw you said "if something is not written in quran then governments has to decide what to do" earlier.
its not the case becouse quran specifically instructed how you should divide your heritage.
And here im shoting you with your own gun. you cant correct quran becouse quran says so.!

[mo3taz3nbar]

Mo3, you are hanging your 'arguement' on these so-called "miraculous revelations" you find in your Quaran. As you were listing these things you were shown these claims are bullocks yet you seem to refuse to even consider you might be wrong.

i never stop considiring that i might be wrong but untill now no one refuted any of these claims the thing that can make me unbeliever is that if someone refuted and give me explanation for every single reason that make me believe

The whole Iron claim you make is non-sensical as everything is formed of the stuff from exploding stars. Nothing is 'sent down'. And the phrase 'sent down' was used so generally as a figure of speech when refering to the 'gifts' God was providing as they commonly refered to the Gods place of residence as above the earth.

the iron was sent down to the earth from exploding stars it means the same.and about that figure of speach when refering to gifts to prove that you must find another verse that says sent down for something that was formed on earth

I do believe this Iron was known and being used by mankind long before mohammed walked the earth.
As youi love to tell others; "Do some searches" and you will know this. Mohammed knew because it was known.

do you think that they knew that the materials they found on earth came from outside earth?

He just said Allah sent it down. It's like claiming the Bible as divinely true because it states "God sent down the rains". And look! We now know rain falls from the sky!!

you can see rain falling from the sky but you cant see metaroits hitting the earth and containing the iron

Really Mr. Mo3, we could go thru each and every Miracle claim of your holy book and easily (as you love to say 'use logic and reason' to demonstrate each one bullocks just like the above example.

that is the smart thing to do but add to this how did they know this in our times(the tools used),probability of getting it by chance and what they used to say in their time(the knowledge they have 1400 years ago)

Please answer me this;

In the bible (and there is another thread about it here somewhere) they claim the prophesy about Israel as proof positive of the bibles' divinity.
Do you dismiss that claim as bullocks? Please explain exactly why you do

i replied to that check it

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@annatar i answered this plz take this conversation to the thread we where talking about heritage which is women in islam as my answers is there not here
plz dont start changing on what i said if i said something you have to quote it