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False equivalency
#21
RE: False equivalency
It also claims that it affirms an actual event.  "a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man."

You cannot have it both ways.
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#22
RE: False equivalency
(November 29, 2015 at 8:33 pm)Minimalist Wrote: It also claims that it affirms an actual event.  "a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man."

You cannot have it both ways.

You didn't ask me whether or not I believe "a deed/event" took place. You asked me if I believe a talking snake told a woman to eat an apple which caused the fall. I answered the question you asked me.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#23
RE: False equivalency
(November 29, 2015 at 7:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm a "religion person", does that mean yall think I'm a con man?

CL you are very nice and you aren't a con man.
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#24
RE: False equivalency
(November 29, 2015 at 6:30 pm)Heat Wrote: Con man - A person who willingly and knowingly lies, cheats, or tricks someone in means of a confidence game, knowing that this is what they are doing and purposely acting as though they believe one thing whilst knowing this is not what they believe.

Religious Person - A person who professes their belief, and tries to persuade others to believe the same because they feel this belief is the truth, and will not willingly lie, or trick someone, in order to get them to believe it, because this is what they personally believe is true, but may unknowingly deceive someone.

The OP doesn't even begin to cover the spectrum of the types of people who are religious, nor the types of people who engage in criminal activity like con men. You certainly have religious people who sincerely hold their beliefs and won't willfully engaging in deceiving people to get them to convert. But you also have religious people who will "lie for the Lord" to get you to join their church. You also have religious people who hold a "milk before meat" mentality whereby they don't consider themselves to be lying about their god or their religion, but they employ deceitful tactics of withholding crucial or important information from new members until they are sufficiently "prepared" (indoctrinated/invested) in the church to accept a particularly outlandish doctrine (think of a scientologist reaching OTC III and getting to read to Xenu story).



(November 29, 2015 at 7:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm a "religion person", does that mean yall think I'm a con man?

No.
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#25
RE: False equivalency
I agree, CL is no con person Smile
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#26
RE: False equivalency
(November 29, 2015 at 7:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm a "religion person", does that mean yall think I'm a con man?


If conning yourself qualifies, yes.

But you have stated many times that you are not trying to convince others to joiin you in your irrational beliefs, so by that definition, you are not a con [wo]man.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#27
RE: False equivalency
(November 30, 2015 at 3:06 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(November 29, 2015 at 7:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm a "religion person", does that mean yall think I'm a con man?


If conning yourself qualifies, yes.

But you have stated many times that you are not trying to convince others to joiin you in your irrational beliefs, so by that definition, you are not a con [wo]man.

My bold.

So are you saying I actually know I'm wrong about God and am just lying to myself?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#28
RE: False equivalency
A con-man poisons the kool-aid, gets his followers to drink it, then doesn't drink it himself.
A religious person poisons the Kool-aid, gets his followers to drink it, and drinks first.
A real asshole poisons the kool-aid, charges his followers to drink it, and then buys himself a ten million dollar mansion that's tax-free.
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#29
RE: False equivalency
(November 30, 2015 at 3:08 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(November 30, 2015 at 3:06 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: If conning yourself qualifies, yes.

But you have stated many times that you are not trying to convince others to joiin you in your irrational beliefs, so by that definition, you are not a con [wo]man.

My bold.

So are you saying I actually know I'm wrong about God and am just lying to myself?

Some Catholics do. I was a catholic and there are a great deal who don't buy that stuff. You don't strike me as one of those. But they do exist and are more frequent than you would think.
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#30
RE: False equivalency
(November 30, 2015 at 3:52 pm)Divinity Wrote: A con-man poisons the kool-aid, gets his followers to drink it, then doesn't drink it himself.
A religious person poisons the Kool-aid, gets his followers to drink it, and drinks first.
A real asshole poisons the kool-aid, charges his followers to drink it, and then buys himself a ten million dollar mansion that's tax-free.
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