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RE: Can Matter be Created or Destroyed?
December 3, 2015 at 2:30 pm
Isn't there an energy loss from any system once the available energy has been converted to heat? Or am I barking up the wrong trousers?
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RE: Can Matter be Created or Destroyed?
December 3, 2015 at 2:55 pm
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(December 3, 2015 at 2:30 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Isn't there an energy loss from any system once the available energy has been converted to heat? Or am I barking up the wrong trousers?
I'm not sure why you say there is energy loss. The heat you produce e.g. via friction is simply the kinetic energy of the atoms. But because their movement is random, it represents a high entropy and cannot by itself be reused to do work.
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RE: Can Matter be Created or Destroyed?
December 3, 2015 at 4:57 pm
I've read that the device used to produce particle pairs is called a particle collider. this is a type of particle accelerator. You need at least 2 photons that do something in the vicinity of a heavy atomic nucleus, such as lead or gold.
What I'm trying to find is exactly what the photons do in the process of conversion to an electron-positron pair, and what is their relationship to the nucleus. Do they collide with the nucleus or with each other?
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RE: Can Matter be Created or Destroyed?
December 3, 2015 at 4:59 pm
(December 3, 2015 at 2:55 pm)Quantum Wrote: (December 3, 2015 at 2:30 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Isn't there an energy loss from any system once the available energy has been converted to heat? Or am I barking up the wrong trousers?
I'm not sure why you say there is energy loss. The heat you produce e.g. via friction is simply the kinetic energy of the atoms. But because their movement is random, it represents a high entropy and cannot by itself be reused to do work.
I was referring to the heat energy lost after the useful work in a system. The reason why perpetual motion is impossible. I'm sure I've mangled it horribly.
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RE: Can Matter be Created or Destroyed?
December 3, 2015 at 6:00 pm
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RE: Can Matter be Created or Destroyed?
December 3, 2015 at 7:39 pm
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RE: Can Matter be Created or Destroyed?
December 3, 2015 at 8:06 pm
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My guess is:
Matter can be created, and it was created during the "Big Bang." I also believe that a reversal of the process, in theory, would be an example of matter being destroyed. Whether that is possible in practice perhaps depends on whether the Big Crunch will ever happen. According to Lawrence Krauss it will not, the Universe will keep expanding forever and ever.
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So I would say I reckon matter can be created, but not destroyed - assuming Lawrence Krauss is right.
Energy however, I believe is eternal. Something must have always existed because it doesn't make sense for "nothing" to exist. It is possible for "empty space" to exist, but that is actually something, just barely. It exists as something at least on the subatomic level. And that is where the title of the book "A Universe From Nothing" by Lawrence Kraus is a misnomer (It should really be called "A Universe From "Empty space" Which Is Almost Nothing But Actually Just Barely Something At least On The Subatomic Level." - but that wouldn't be a very catchy title now would it?  ). Although the science itself I am sure is very accurate.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Matter can be created, and may or may not be able to be destroyed.
Just my 2 cents/pence.
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RE: Can Matter be Created or Destroyed?
December 4, 2015 at 3:42 am
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(December 3, 2015 at 8:06 pm)Evie Wrote: My guess is:
Matter can be created, and it was created during the "Big Bang." I also believe that a reversal of the process, in theory, would be an example of matter being destroyed.
You are talking about the dreaded Gnab Gib here, right...
Quote:Whether that is possible in practice perhaps depends on whether the Big Crunch will ever happen. According to Lawrence Krauss it will not, the Universe will keep expanding forever and ever.
According to almost everyone else as well. It's not so much about Lawrence Krauss' opinion, he simply recounts the current scientific consensus here. The crucial issue is about the nature of Dark Energy. If the observed Dark Energy simply takes the form of Einstein's cosmological constant, it always remains the same, as the term "constant" implies. If it remains the same in magnitude, forever it will dominate our destiny - as everything else gets diluted down by the expansion, the cosmo constant prevails unchanged, driving our universe towards eternal exponential expansion. Noone can currently know (for lack of empirical evidence) whether Dark Energy truly is this simplest of all versions or something more complicated, but Occam's razor would suggest that if there is such a trivially simple explanation for the data, we should consider it likely.
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So I would say I reckon matter can be created, but not destroyed - assuming Lawrence Krauss is right.
If you like you should read an article on inflation and reheating, to get an idea how matter might have been created from a different form of energy.
Quote:Energy however, I believe is eternal. Something must have always existed because it doesn't make sense for "nothing" to exist.
How do you define energy?
Quote:It is possible for "empty space" to exist, but that is actually something, just barely. It exists as something at least on the subatomic level. And that is where the title of the book "A Universe From Nothing" by Lawrence Kraus is a misnomer (It should really be called "A Universe From "Empty space" Which Is Almost Nothing But Actually Just Barely Something At least On The Subatomic Level." - but that wouldn't be a very catchy title now would it? ). Although the science itself I am sure is very accurate.
Yes, I think the name is unfortunate, but if you want to sell, you need something catchy, and this stuff is something publishers love.
Quote:Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Matter can be created, and may or may not be able to be destroyed.
Why the distinction between matter and energy here? When you say matter cannot be destroyed, do you mean baryonic matter remains because of baryon number conservation?
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RE: Can Matter be Created or Destroyed?
December 4, 2015 at 7:52 pm
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RE: Can Matter be Created or Destroyed?
December 5, 2015 at 4:27 am
Oh yes it did!
No, the nucleus is the source of one of the photons. You would draw it as an X at its end or as a thick line running parallel all the way from left to right
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