"I can't see the wishom behind babies dying from cancer" is argument from ignorance

[Chad32]

It's not my problem if I can't imagine something positive coming from children with cancer that can't be achieves through other means. If someone wants to come across as a benevolent being, he has to do things that don't look like horrible ideas on the surface that need to be explained afterwards so that people understand.

[Esquilax]

It's not my problem if I can't imagine something positive coming from children with cancer that can't be achieves through other means. If someone wants to come across as a benevolent being, he has to do things that don't look like horrible ideas on the surface that need to be explained afterwards so that people understand.

This. We're only responsible, rationally speaking, for the evidence we currently have, or could possibly apprehend. If some theist wants to make the argument that something like cancer, which is objectively bad according to everything we can currently know, is actually good, then it's up to them to make that argument. We aren't obligated to follow their presupposition that there must be, or even could be, a good reason for cancer just because they insinuate the possibility.

[SofaKingHigh]

Jesus H fucking Muhammed, you're all morons, honestly........of course children given the gift of cancer proves that God is good and benevolent, how you could see it any other way escapes me.

How these fucks manage the mental gymnastic required to come up with this shit really is beyond me.  Incredible.

[paulpablo]

Just when I thought Hamza couldn't get more annoying he fans his face while laughing like one of those girls on a reality tv show trying to fake being emotional and fanning back tears.

I'm too tired to bother arguing with the video but just one point.

Evolution doesn't prove Islam wrong because science changes whereas Islam is timeless knowledge.


Islam stays the same because it's bullshit.  Bullshit that people talk can remain the same because you don't have to bother genuinely trying to find out the truth when you just spout bullshit all the time, you can just pretend whatever bullshit you're spouting is from god and therefore definitely true.
Science changes because it tries to find out the truth and our capabilities to find out what is true changes over time.

But it doesn't mean the earth will definitely be proven to not be round or they will suddenly prove gravity doesn't exist or they will suddenly realise that mutation and natural selection doesn't happen and what really happened was a magic creature spoke to some dust and told it to turn into a man and used the mans rib to make a woman.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

God is unknowable. We cannot possibly understand his plan. Which means we can't possibly know if it's a good plan or not.

If giving people cancer is the only way he can achieve certain things, then he's not all powerful. If he does it anyway, he's a sadist. Logic armlock, God. Time to tap out you little bitch.

If the above is true, too, it also contradicts Hamza's view of cancer being somehow empowering. How does he know if god is unknowable?

Ridiculous, childish logic.

[Mystic]

Actually Paul Islam does change on a personal level much like science does, in that we are seeking to know the divine will, but we may or may not know it. There are always greater levels of tuning to the divine will, and he reveals of his knowledge what he wills.

We never truly have full knowledge of Islam. Our knowledge of it changes. And it should change.

This is why we need a spiritual guide. Because through the journey, the laws of etiquette change. There are certain expectations in different spiritual states.

The true religion is not known by words although Quran revives and calls to the face/name of God, and to sail the ships that are by the name of God in it's sailing and anchoring....these parables, the reality they point, God and his name, God and his face, these have to be recalled and witnessed.

The true religion transcends the official religions on earth, including Islam. People following Islam maybe closer to that religion then people of other faiths or may not be.

The true religion is the nature we may been originally upon, spiritually, before coming to the material world.

The Guide on earth is the closest to understanding what we are, who we are, and what are nature is, but our destination, our secret is veiled at the end and only known to God.

In short what I'm trying to say what it means to be human changes over time, and so then does the knowledge of the religion that in it's own words, is that very human nature...does change.

[vorlon13]

Why is my apostasy detector going off ?