Why did God require a sacrifice of Himself to Himself?

[annatar]

what about this;

we were actually created by real god. And some pervert god kidnaped us to make experiments on human behaviors.so he can make his own subjects. Guy called jesus, was a spy. Some of jewish people realized that and crucified him. Then that rouge god made up this story to cover the truths.(thats why its senseless) Our beloved god is still searching for us but he couldnt find a clue yet.

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@Min- While I completely agree that religion has many attrocities historically attributed to it, I was speaking specificall of modern Christianity.

@PR-No I'm not making that claim, and I'm quite aware of that.

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Regardless of whether it was himself or part of himself or something else entirety. Regardless of whether it actually happened or not and regardless as to the value of said sacrifice, Self-sacrifice is a cornerstone of Christianity. I hope that shortened the exchanging of ideas to a much smaller thread than this could turn into.

Yes, but Christianity teaches that Jesus died so God could forgive our sins. God killed a part of himself so he could forgive us? Surely self-sacrifice is only good because it pleases God (what a wonderful basis for morality!), so God's sacrificing himself would do bugger all good, as far as I can see. Of course, according to fundamentalists, most of the world's population is going to burn for eternity for either not believing the right dogma or for doing things which certain people are naturally inclined to do, so his sacrifice didn't really save us, anyway. Go God. I could run a universe better than he does while being mind-numblingly drunk and blindfolded and having had a major lobotomy.

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At least I can agree with your first sentence.

[Minimalist]

@Min- While I completely agree that religion has many attrocities historically attributed to it, I was speaking specificall of modern Christianity.

I know, tack. The problem there is that western society revolted against the barbarism of the church after the horrors of the 30 Years War. Islam has never had its Enlightenment.... and it desperately needs one.

Xtianity did not evolve out of barbarism as much as people stopped listening to their bullshit. Fortunate, but it was not xtians leading the way. To this day I still think that there are a lot of preachers who are not angry at the mullahs but jealous of their temporal power.

[Caecilian]

Nah...it makes no sense to me at all. None of it makes any sense at all.

If god is omnipotent why did he need to sacrifice anything to redeem our sins? Surely he could just say 'you're redeemed, guys' and leave it at that.

If jesus is co-eternal with god the father, then in what meaningful sense is he the son of god?

Here's an old one: if jesus is both human and divine, then doesn't the divine element make the human element insignificant? Infinity + 1 = Infinity. Iirc this is the monophysite position.

Jesus clearly didn't 'die' on the cross in any meaningful sense, since he is both divine and eternal. What sort of 'sacrifice' is that then?

Its all bizarre and incoherent gobbledygook dreamed up by a bunch of second- and third-century fanatics. How any thinking person could actually believe in this tosh is something that continues to amaze me.

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yoou're positing that the eternally linving element and the human element are posited for the same purpose. His sacrifice wasn't his death, his sacrifice was his coming and his suffering.

[Jaysyn]

yoou're positing that the eternally linving element and the human element are posited for the same purpose. His sacrifice wasn't his death, his sacrifice was his coming and his suffering.

And if it's all powerful, it doesn't really need to do that either now does it?

[Caecilian]

yoou're positing that the eternally linving element and the human element are posited for the same purpose. His sacrifice wasn't his death, his sacrifice was his coming and his suffering.

Thats still nonsense.

How can his 'coming' be a sacrifice if hes supposed omnipresent anyway:

7 Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
8 If I ascend to heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, bYou are there.
9 If I take the wings of the dawn,
If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea,
10 Even there Your hand will alead me,
And Your right hand will lay hold of me.
11 If I say, “Surely the darkness will overwhelm me,
And the light around me will be night,”
12 Even the adarkness is not dark to You,
And the night is as bright as the day.
Darkness and light are alike to You.

Ps. 139:7-12

And how can an infinite being of with an eternally perfect nature be said to suffer? Doesn't suffering contradict the 'god' construct?

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@Jaysyn- Sure he didn't need to give us free will, he could have just made mortal angels, more angels or some robots.

@Caecilian-That's why his coming is a sacrifice. I think robin williams said it best.. phenominal cosmic power, itty bitty living space. An infinite being could necessarily suffer I guess, but I'm talking about Jesus sufering.

[Shell B]

Because god is emo.

[tackattack]

Is that still a current fad, I'm not looking forward to my kids growing up. :S