Astrology?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Ok, but I don't think I can restrict it to one.

1.  Astrology uses phrases like 'the Moon is in Virgo'.  This is not a coherent statement:  The stars that make up the constellation Virgo are thousands of light years from each other.

2.  One reason given that the 'stars in their courses' affect our lives is gravity.  Rubbish.  The midwife who delivered me has a much greater gravitational attraction on me than any stars, planets or combinations thereof.

3.  The Zodiac doesn't have twelve signs, it has thirteen.  If astrologers can't be trusted to count, how can they me trusted to tell me about my life?

4.  Because of precession, the signs of the Zodiac has shifted by one, but the dates haven't change.

5.  Much of natal horoscopy is based on exact time of birth.  Well, what is time of birth?  Is it when my head cleared the birth canal?  When I took my first breath, or is it what the nurse wrote down when she got round to it?  This last is particularly important for people born close to midnight:  suppose someone is born at 11:59:58 PM, but there's an emergency, and the TOB isn't recorded until things quiet down, say three minutes later?

6.  Since Western astrology was codified (for want of a better word) a host of new astronomical objects have been discovered, yet astrologers simply ignore them.

7.  Distance doesn't seem to matter much in astrology which is odd, since gravity drops off with distance.  If I'm an Ares, why does Mars have as much influence on me when it is in conjunction with Earth as it does when in opposition?

8.  Since distances don't matter, why aren't quasars included when ponying up a horoscope?

9.  If astrology is accurate, why do different astrologers cast different horoscopes for the same person?

10.  Why don't astrologers use time of conception rather than time of birth?  I mean, the planets and stars are still there, influencing the life of the foetus, aren't they?

11.  If astrology is accurate, why aren't horoscopes accurate?

Boru

Come on Boru post your birthdate, time, location bud. I'm a little rusty at reading charts but I assure you I'll get most of you figured out. Unless that's too personal for you.

See above.

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Go right ahead.

Boru

[IAOALGIV]

Now please define "subtle energies", "faith" and "divine order", with particular emphasis on how we can possibly detect any of them as effects.

Subtle energies - Think 'metaphysics'
Faith - Trust in things to be seen
Divine Order - The maxim 'As above, So below' comes to mind

You only need to look within

[Homeless Nutter]

Here's how to do astrology and most other types of cold reading and divination- you make nebulous, catch-all statements, that are most likely to be true about anybody, or at least - everybody likes to think they're true about them. Like: "You are a social person, you really enjoy being in the company of your family and friends, but sometimes you prefer to be alone. You are intelligent and thoughtful, although once in a while you've been known to be very emotional. You want to be happy, but not at the cost of the people you love. You are trusting and faithful, but when someone abuses your trust - you don't likie them anymore. Blah, blah, blah..." And so on.

How come not a single astrologist ever said to anybody (that was paying them for their bullsh*t) - "You are a c*nt, a thicko and a pervert, you like sticking things up your urethra and when you were a child you were sexually molested by the family dog."?

[Homeless Nutter]

Subtle energies - Think 'metaphysics'
Faith - Trust in things to be seen
Divine Order - The maxim 'As above, So below' comes to mind

You only need to look within

LOL.
Yeah, no - those are all meaningless platitudes, that only dumb people buy and pretend to be arcane, mysterious "wisdom".

[Whateverist]

No, thank you.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Now please define "subtle energies", "faith" and "divine order", with particular emphasis on how we can possibly detect any of them as effects.

Subtle energies - Think 'metaphysics'
Faith - Trust in things to be seen
Divine Order - The maxim 'As above, So below' comes to mind

You only need to look within

I looked within once. I have a very attractive spleen (as spleens go).

Boru

[Longhorn]

You only need to look within

Hmmm, so you're saying that the angle at which we observe celestial bodies and interpret their 'position' corresponds to my internal physiology.....The bladder is Venus, the appendix is Saturn, and the kidney stone is the Moon then?

Hang on, I think I have my horoscope....
'You will slowly but inevitably bleed to death. Avoid green clothes.'

*mmmmph*

[IAOALGIV]

[vorlon13]

Here's how to do astrology and most other types of cold reading and divination- you make nebulous, catch-all statements, that are most likely to be true about anybody, or at least - everybody likes to think they're true about them. Like: "You are a social person, you really enjoy being in the company of your family and friends, but sometimes you prefer to be alone. You are intelligent and thoughtful, although once in a while you've been known to be very emotional. You want to be happy, but not at the cost of the people you love. You are trusting and faithful, but when someone abuses your trust - you don't likie them anymore. Blah, blah, blah..." And so on.

How come not a single astrologist ever said to anybody (that was paying them for their bullsh*t) - "You are a c*nt, a thicko and a pervert, you like sticking things up your urethra and when you were a child you were sexually molested by the family dog."?

Like that's a bad thing.