Guns, and my most recent Facebook Post.

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Going to weigh in, haven't read all of the posts.

I grew up with guns. They are/were used for hunting. That put a lot of meat on the table that our family might not have had during the lean years. And I won't lie, I was shot in a hunting accident. Sometimes shit happens, it didn't put me off guns. Some of the hunting guns were semi-auto.

As I aged, I was exposed to military grade fire arms. Some bolt, some semi-auto, some full auto. I will tell you that I own many. The gang and I are planning a trip to Vegas to pull the trigger on a mini gun. These I have only fired for pleasure at ranges. There is always a designated range master. All safety protocol is followed. They are also stored safely. Even if stolen (which would take a blow torch) each is missing a functional part to fire (stored in a separate location).

With that said, I've got no problem with stricter gun laws. I'm not a fan of concealed carry. I don't like pistols, don't have a problem if they were banned. If the country wants to ban assault rifles I don't think I'd have a real problem giving up my toys (I'd like to be paid back for them, not just taken). I won't necessarily like it but I'd probably comply. I will have a problem with trying to ban the hunting firearms. It's my belief that most of the US would. We still have threatening wild life. I can hear them at least once every month.

It would probably be best for all gun transactions to go through gun dealers, or even through a branch of the police. That way all background checks can take place, all guns are registered to that person (no person to person sales). Same with ammo. You can have 100 rounds of any caliber. Want more, return the spent brass to get it. This will not stop the re-loaders. Also, I'm in favor of some type of gun ownership renewal system, proof that you are still competent to own a gun. Smart guns are another option I'm willing to consider.

I guess my point is I'm not in favor of an all out ban on all firearms. Strict limits yes, I'll have no problem making the grade.

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Come on, lets not get pedantic. We both know what I mean by keeping safe; keeping bullets from entering peoples living bodies and converting them to dead bodies. Yes you can stab someone or use all kinds of tools but most violent crime is opportunistic. The less convenient the opportunity that presents itself is the less likely it is that it will be taken advantage of. Guns are very convenient and lethal weapons. 

I wont argue that guns are convenient, however I don't buy for a moment that they're any more lethal than knives or large machinery.  I've lost count of the number of "Victim was shot 5 times and is in stable condition" stories I've read.  Also wont argue opportunistic violence.  However you'd simply be trading random shootings for random stabbings.

Anecdotal evidence. Statistics back up the fact that guns cause more violence than they resolve and that the most likely victim to be on the receiving end of a bullet of a gun is fired at a living person is the owner of that gun. Its a major contributor to suicide thanks to the convenience it offers. Like violent crime suicide appears to be opportunistic as demonstrated by the fact that when we made it impossible to gas yourself using an oven the rates of suicide fell and never went back up. A large percentage of people when not presented with a convenient opportunity pursued it no further.

Define a large percentage?  1 in 4?  At the treatment facility I spent a few years at I cut a kid down in the showers.  He tried to hang himself with the string off his sweat pants.  If somebody is mentally ill and wants to kill themselves, guns are irrelevant.

 This isn't even taking into account premeditated violence. Guns make that *really* easy. Don't get me wrong; guns are awesome. A marvel of physics and mechanics, really. Lets not get confused though. They kill people. At an astonishing rate. You make guns illegal the murder rate falls. We know this. Its not surprising, it makes perfect sense. The reasons to keep guns around have diminished greatly seen as they would be useless against a tyrannical government now due to the advent of drones and fighter jets. Thats not an explanation we can use now.

Again, yes, guns make things easier, but will not prevent it.  Quite honestly guns are messy and leave a lot of evidence.  Yes, guns kill people.  But there's somebody behind the gun.  I don't have time to list all the other things that kill people, that we don't even consider banning.  As I stated previously, humans are more fragile than we're willing to admit.

If I plan to kill somebody, not having a gun isn't going to be much of a problem.  Banning guns would cause the murder rate to dip slightly.  It wouldn't as you say "Fall".  

The "Tyrannical Government" argument is tired, and quite frankly a bunch of bullshit probably made up by the NRA and white supremacists.

The remaining pro-gun reasons that counts now are as follows;
"I like guns"
"I really like shooting targets."
"In the extremely unlikely event someone breaks in to kill me with a gun I want to kill them with my gun first."
"I want to feel safe."
"Its part of our culture."

Yep, I like guns.

Target shooting is indeed fun.

If you break into my house you are fairly screwed.

I like camping in places that have bears.  I've thankfully never had to shoot one.

I'm a 28 year old male that doesn't worry much about rape/mugging/etc.  My wife is well trained with her 9mm and doesn't worry much either.  Safety is an illusion that doesn't really exist.

Fuck the american culture.  I hate rednecks.

I enjoy hunting.

All the things that guns do, can be done with some other method, guns aren't the problem.

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
Robert A. Heinlein

What does this quote mean to me?  If you make a threat, I have no intention of waiting to see how serious you are.  And full disclosure, I'm not going to shoot you.

If you seriously think the guy who stabbed three people wouldn't of killed more it a pistol, an uzi or an assault rifle I don't know what to say to you. You're not living in reality.
Its easier to shoot yourself in the head than it is to slit your wrists or hang yourself. The determination required to do so is lower. This means more suicides. You know this. This is silly.

If you have guns you'll get school shootings which are easier to go through with and have more fatalities than a school stabbing. Both involve a mentally vulnerable individual, one results in more frequency and more death.
This sounds like its all about you frankly. You're trained. You're stable. You're comfortable. Your wife has a gun. You're sorted, everyone else can just deal. Thats not how a society is supposed to work. It moves as fast as its slowest citizen and in this case its slowest citizen could be responsible for a massacre.
Can we just be honest? You know all this. You just want to keep guns because you've likely grown up with guns. Its a tradition thing that you're not willing to let go of because its so firmly ingrained in your culture that its impossible to imagine a life without them. Thats not rednecks. Thats America. Thats fair enough. Its hard to let go of stuff like that but please be under no illusions that not letting go of that will cause alot more people to die. It will. This is a inescapable fact. Saying "Oh well, they don't need a gun to kill someone." is a insincere thing to say. You know full well noones saying getting rid of guns will stop humans killing each other. They're saying it would decrease instances of homicide and suicide vastly.

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I don't mind guns, I really don't. I have a few stored away in my home for security purposes ONLY. The thing that bothers me is ammosexuals thinking that they should be able to carry an Ak47 strapped to their back into Walmart just to get a reaction out of people. But then when Walmart, a PRIVATE business tells them to leave they cry like little girls saying how their second amendment rights are being violated.

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If you seriously think the guy who stabbed three people wouldn't of killed more it a pistol, an uzi or an assault rifle I don't know what to say to you. You're not living in reality.

Reality is less kind then we want it to be.  Also, what guy?

Its easier to shoot yourself in the head than it is to slit your wrists or hang yourself. The determination required to do so is lower. This means more suicides. You know this. This is silly.

I don't see as big a correlation with guns and suicide as you seem too.  For the record, I have a BS in Psychology and mainly see a problem with mental health in this country, not guns.

If you have guns you'll get school shootings which are easier to go through with and have more fatalities than a school stabbing. Both involve a mentally vulnerable individual, one results in more frequency and more death.

More frequency perhaps, but not more death.  School shootings are a problem of gun owners not willing to admit their child has an psychological issue.  School violence will not stop by banning guns.  You'll perhaps see fewer gun related ones, but knife and explosive related ones will go up.

Want to see a spectacular fuckup by the psychological community?  Google "Josh Gilchrist Huron SD".  He was in my boy-scout troop.  If you care to know he had access to firearms. Why he didn't use them I'll never know.

This sounds like its all about you frankly. You're trained. You're stable. You're comfortable. Your wife has a gun. You're sorted, everyone else can just deal. Thats not how a society is supposed to work. It moves as fast as its slowest citizen and in this case its slowest citizen could be responsible for a massacre.

This will be fun.  I'm sure you already love me by this point.  

No, that's not how society is supposed to work.  Society is supposed to move forward.  What you've described is a stunting of evolution.

Eugenics is something that really needs to be considered, worldwide.  But it wont be, we just have to keep popping out them childrens. Honestly I could give a shit less about society.  Humanity is fairly well screwed with or without guns.

Can we just be honest? You know all this. You just want to keep guns because you've likely grown up with guns. Its a tradition thing that you're not willing to let go of because its so firmly ingrained in your culture that its impossible to imagine a life without them. Thats not rednecks. Thats America. Thats fair enough. Its hard to let go of stuff like that but please be under no illusions that not letting go of that will cause alot more people to die. It will. This is a inescapable fact. Saying "Oh well, they don't need a gun to kill someone." is a insincere thing to say. You know full well noones saying getting rid of guns will stop humans killing each other. They're saying it would decrease instances of homicide and suicide vastly.

Heh, no, it's not tradition.  The tradition in my family is substance abuse, domestic violence, and all sorts of other stuff that under the current gun laws ban you from owning one, for life.  My father was something of an overachiever, dishonorable discharge from the local National Guard unit for some sort of record quantity (For Huron SD) of cocaine and other drugs.

Saying "Oh well, they don't need a gun to kill someone." is not insincere, its honest, and part of that reality you don't believe I live in.  And I love how the mysterious "They" is saying it would decrease all those nasty things vastly.  That is inflated at best, and at worst simply made up.  Like I said, such things would dip...slightly.

[Spooky]

I don't mind guns, I really don't. I have a few stored away in my home for security purposes ONLY. The thing that bothers me is ammosexuals thinking that they should be able to carry an Ak47 strapped to their back into Walmart just to get a reaction out of people. But then when Walmart, a PRIVATE business tells them to leave they cry like little girls saying how their second amendment rights are being violated.

I don't personally understand the desire to own "Assault" style firearms.  Nor do I understand why you'd need them at wal-mart.  Granted they're a whole lot of fun to shoot, but I don't own any.

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Up to 1,000 people a month are victims of knife crime in London, according to alarming new statistics.

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I don't personally understand the desire to own "Assault" style firearms.  Nor do I understand why you'd need them at wal-mart.  Granted they're a whole lot of fun to shoot, but I don't own any.

What can I tell ya. There my big boy toys. Nothing more.

[Spooky]

I don't personally understand the desire to own "Assault" style firearms.  Nor do I understand why you'd need them at wal-mart.  Granted they're a whole lot of fun to shoot, but I don't own any.

What can I tell ya. There my big boy toys. Nothing more.

Fair enough.  But I'm assuming you don't wander into wal-mart with them for the shock value?

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What can I tell ya. There my big boy toys. Nothing more.

Fair enough.  But I'm assuming you don't wander into wal-mart with them for the shock value?

They don't see the light of day until at the range. Shock value at Walmart is fly open or excessive butt crack.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

If you want to reduce gun deaths take guns away from cops. They are always killing people.