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I don't think this is prejudice…
#31
RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
Regardless of the fact that it is wrong to discriminate against gay parents, I believe it is wrong and against one's basic dignity to deny information regarding who we are. People have the right to know who their bio parents were, as much as they have a right to a "name" - Yes, you have the right to a name that serves as an identifier of yourself, and you can legally change it - I'm sure 100% of people here have a real life name. My GF started reading books about adoption later to understand the phases she went trough. It's not easy. Hiding things will usually not help. Many kids want to find out who bred them, it's normal. It doesn't mean they will ditch the adoptive parents and go live with their bio parents, they might even hate those people, but curiosity is normal.
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#32
RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
Adoption seems to be more trouble than it's worth.
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#33
RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
(December 7, 2015 at 1:36 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Regardless of the fact that it is wrong to discriminate against gay parents, I believe it is wrong and against one's basic dignity to deny information regarding who we are. People have the right to know who their bio parents were, as much as they have a right to a "name" - Yes, you have the right to a name that serves as an identifier of yourself, and you can legally change it - I'm sure 100% of people here have a real life name. My GF started reading books about adoption later to understand the phases she went trough. It's not easy. Hiding things will usually not help. Many kids want to find out who bred them, it's normal. It doesn't mean they will ditch the adoptive parents and go live with their bio parents, they might even hate those people, but curiosity is normal.

Great points here. However, what if you have a woman who wants NO involvement in the child's life and does not want her information ever given to the child? What if the woman just wants to move on with her life and be left alone? If she doesn't know who fathered her child, then any medical history for the paternal side of the child is unknown. If she gives as much medical history for the maternal side as she knows, then I believe the woman has a right to be left alone - even after the child reaches 18 years of age. Not all adoptions are the same and mothers have different reasons for why they choose to give up their child.
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#34
RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
(December 8, 2015 at 5:48 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Adoption seems to be more trouble than it's worth.

Couples who have spent thousands of dollars and years of unsuccessful fertility treatments, and who ultimately end up adopting, would disagree with you. Parents choose to adopt for varying reasons. The time, investigations, background checks, home studies and costs associated with adoptions are put in place so that the child being adopted is placed with the right family. Love knows no bounds and it takes a lot of patience to have to be subjected to such procedures just so that you have a little one to love.
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(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work.  If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now.  Yes, I DO want fries with that.
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#35
RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
(December 8, 2015 at 6:14 am)Judi Lynn Wrote:
(December 8, 2015 at 5:48 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Adoption seems to be more trouble than it's worth.

Couples who have spent thousands of dollars and years of unsuccessful fertility treatments, and who ultimately end up adopting, would disagree with you. Parents choose to adopt for varying reasons. The time, investigations, background checks, home studies and costs associated with adoptions are put in place so that the child being adopted is placed with the right family. Love knows no bounds and it takes a lot of patience to have to be subjected to such procedures just so that you have a little one to love.

Personally I think adoption is awesome but I really think that bio parent info should be freely accessible to parents and children so what happened to my friend I mentioned earlier doesn't happen to anyone else.
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#36
RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
(December 8, 2015 at 6:10 am)Judi Lynn Wrote:
(December 7, 2015 at 1:36 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Regardless of the fact that it is wrong to discriminate against gay parents, I believe it is wrong and against one's basic dignity to deny information regarding who we are. People have the right to know who their bio parents were, as much as they have a right to a "name" - Yes, you have the right to a name that serves as an identifier of yourself, and you can legally change it - I'm sure 100% of people here have a real life name. My GF started reading books about adoption later to understand the phases she went trough. It's not easy. Hiding things will usually not help. Many kids want to find out who bred them, it's normal. It doesn't mean they will ditch the adoptive parents and go live with their bio parents, they might even hate those people, but curiosity is normal.

Great points here. However, what if you have a woman who wants NO involvement in the child's life and does not want her information ever given to the child? What if the woman just wants to move on with her life and be left alone? If she doesn't know who fathered her child, then any medical history for the paternal side of the child is unknown. If she gives as much medical history for the maternal side as she knows, then I believe the woman has a right to be left alone - even after the child reaches 18 years of age. Not all adoptions are the same and mothers have different reasons for why they choose to give up their child.

I agree that there's important issues to consider on the parents' side, however I still believe it is wrong to not give info to people who are looking to know stuff about themselves. This isn't just about the parents, it's about kids and young adults wanting to know where they come from. In some countries, it is important to know for a variety of reasons. Yes, I agree that some parents might have nothing to do with their "children's" lives, but kids will still be curious to know and that's something every bio parent, regardless of how much they don't want it to happen, needs to face and recognize - It's one of the repercussions of having kids that you simply cannot avoid even if you absolutely loathe the idea. Plus, it's not like you will have duties if your child finds out, it's more like they'll just want to know who you are and leave you alone. Even if contact between both parties is forbidden, I am advocating merely for the right to know, not the right to have a relationship with bio parents. 

There's many reasons in many parts of the world why I would want to know who my bio parents are. Yes, there's many reasons why people make hard decisions, but there's still repercussions even if you have legally decided to completely give up and not have any kind of contact with your child. I would also want to note that people can look for others for any reason and not just parenting  - You don't have a right to have your "identity" hidden, I'm pretty sure that would cause lots of issues in many cases.
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#37
RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
But having a rare blood type is not the norm. If it was, the blood type wouldn't be "rare". I am truly sorry for what happened to your friend, but even with a biological parents information, there isn't any guarantee that they could be contacted in time or that they would still be alive or even willing to help out. You have to look at more than just what a person thinks they have a right to or are entitled to get if they are an adopted child. It's not all about their rights, but also about the rights of the person who chose to give them up, to remain anonymous. And regardless of how anyone feels about those rights, it's the reality of the world that we live in. That is why there are lawyers and agencies and contracts involved in the adoption process.

In addition, you cannot force a biological parent to be there or help out if they don't want to.
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(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work.  If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now.  Yes, I DO want fries with that.
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#38
RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
There are people scattered all over the world, that live "off the grid" in complete solitude. We call them hermits. If someone truly doesn't want to be found, they won't be.
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(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work.  If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now.  Yes, I DO want fries with that.
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#39
RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
(December 8, 2015 at 5:48 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Adoption seems to be more trouble than it's worth.

For those willing to adopt, I think it is more noble than having a child of your own. I think helping children who are already on this planet and in need, is, on the whole, a more noble cause than bringing someone else into the world (no one needs help before they even exist). But in both cases you ought to be a good parent.
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#40
RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
(December 8, 2015 at 6:14 am)Judi Lynn Wrote:
(December 8, 2015 at 5:48 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Adoption seems to be more trouble than it's worth.

Couples who have spent thousands of dollars and years of unsuccessful fertility treatments, and who ultimately end up adopting, would disagree with you. Parents choose to adopt for varying reasons. The time, investigations, background checks, home studies and costs associated with adoptions are put in place so that the child being adopted is placed with the right family. Love knows no bounds and it takes a lot of patience to have to be subjected to such procedures just so that you have a little one to love.
Get a bunny rabbit.  Cheaper and less trouble and there's no child support involved when the divorce rolls around.
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